Dispute between somalia and Kenya

[Twisted_Logic]

Laander8,

Not many of us are in a position to comment about the legal aspects of this 'deal," since doing so requires a comprehensive understanding of the International Legal Frame-work. However, from what we know from the MOU, there is nothing that states that Somali territory is in jeopardy and the PM and other members of the cabinet have also stated this. Could there be additional MOU that were signed between the 2 countries that hasn't come-out yet? plausible. Nevertheless, I am not going to start throwing stones especially when what we know is so little. I understand that more light will be shed on this deal in the coming days as knowledgeable scholars write their views regarding this deal, so I am going to watch out for that. This maritime dispute between Kenya and Somalia has been going on for quite some-time, and I don't think any sane person will just sign-away our maritime treasuries so simply.

Voltage,

Your one-liners are getting boring now.

[Voltage]

Not many of us are in a position to comment about the legal aspects of this 'deal," since doing so requires a comprehensive understanding of the International Legal Frame-work.

My my, what we admit when Voltage is not in the picture.

[Jam Street]

Twisted Logic

Give up brother! You will never win an argument against team kaalay aan murane (the ilkoyar crew) because the difference between you and them is you argue with reason whereas they argue with emotion and insults.

[Voltage]

Looks like someone is itching from his other thread.

[laander8]

Well first of all Twisted you have done a great job defining what an MOU really is.
And you highlighted that this is not an agreement over giving up our territorial waters just as our government stated .
Which is the answer we all dared not to hope for, but awaited the worst case scenario.

Of course I knew this from the moment I saw the non deal but still a deal thats how an intentional agreement works brother. I concur your sane view that very few of us can comprehend international maritime laws.
But what we do know is that our government is barely qualified to engage in MOU agreements at this stage.
Let alone helping Kenya to expand the eez.

We need to keep our eyes open in the future.
I believe MOU was unneccarily as it has expanded the disputed zone.

And oh its disputed now also...

[Twisted_Logic]

Well first of all Twisted you have done a great job defining what an MOU really is.
And you stated that this is not an agreement over giving up our territorial waters .

Of course I knew this from the moment I saw the non ( deal ) but still a deal thats how an intentional agreement works brother.

We need to keep our eyes open in the future.
I believe MOU was unneccarily as it has expanded the disputed zone.

And oh its disputed now also...

I never disagreed with this. The more study is done on this deal, the closer we get to the actuality of this deal. Constructive criticism is important, not a blind criticism that is rooted in ulterior-motives. People are already calling for the PM's head even though from the documents that are currently available to us state nothing of the sorts he is being alleged to.

I think Somalia's territorial boundaries are sacred and no-one should be allowed to encroach into it. Somali territories whether on maritime or other-wise are non-negotiable.

[laander8]

I was worried for a moment, but just the response by our government shows us we are on the right direction.
Who would ever believe the people would be adressed if it not was a fair government.

Kudos to the TFG government.

We have to remember that only when the adjacent neighbours agree on the boundaries it becomes ratified.
unless we go the wrong direction by going to war and later let the Permanent Court of Arbitration decide who owns it.

Thats how Eritreat had to give up the Hanish islands dejure to Yemen.
I still have to take most of us in dfence, those who reacted strongly because of our tragic history with corrupt politicians.
Remember Primeminister Ghedi?... the once promising Western Somali young leader...
Fool me once.... thats where our mind is dear Somalis and thats how we reacted and was awaiting PM Sharmaarke as the next young western tuug but we gave him a chance!.
Now let's keep our heads cool as our bright brother Twisted .

1. SomaliTalk.com was not wrong
2. We were not wrong
3. TFG government was not wrong
4. Kenya is working on something and still poses a danger to our waters.
5. Kenya has prepared oilblocks overlapping our waters.
6. This is not a new issue, there has never been an agreed border.
7. Kenya successfully imported the word dispute into the matter and managed to expand the problematic zone.