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[Hyperactive]

lol fah, i though i was the only one doesnt effect it.
i never could say better. you spoke for me too.

i dont feel it's directed to me or personally. the person may talking about experience that i have no clue about it. so i take it just an opinion of theirs.

[Shirib]

The only thing that puzzles me about Somali politics is that many somalis, including many in this joint don't have the ability to think as individual regardless of their background or education level. If you try to represent a clan, u lose your personal authenticity and start talking like a carefully programmed robot. Yesterday, I came across a topic in which the poster called sheik turki a hero and president Sharif a donkey. All subsequent replies turned out to be ugly clan fight. Today, I cam across a couple of piracy related topics in which people started fighting along clan lines. How can u debate constructively as an individual when you have a whole clan on your shoulder? When ppl who left Somalia and saw how the world works have this mindset, what d u expect from those who never left their clan enclaves?

The other thing that bugs me is how many of us are blinded by the hate they have for other Somalis. The so called non-Somali Somalia experts come here and read your venom before they lecture their policy makers and others about Somalia. How can any1 who hates his/her own ppl claim to be Somali?

I think it is time our people learn what individualism and free thinking are all about.

i agree with you 100% though i might be one of those that is guilty of qabilism, i wont lie!! but this is what i always wanted to know from people like u, screw, fah, and firefly.(people who i have never seen taking part in qabilism) how do you guys react to people who are constantly dissing/making fun out of/cursing your tribe? i mean c'mon you cant say to me you guys have no feelings what so ever for you tribes?. that you dont care what people say about them. that you wont even (not curse back at them) "correct" of what they doing.

my main issu is people who constantly curse other people's tribe(s) cities, regions. in this very thread, there are such examples. what would you guys say to them. how would you react. im only asking because im the kinda person fires back at them. argue back!!

U can defend ur qabiil, but try to avoid that person all together. They already have cuqdad and want u to get the same like them.

p.s. the burn Mudug thing is purely a joke on my side

[FAH1223]

lol fah, i though i was the only one doesnt effect it.
i never could say better. you spoke for me too.

i dont feel it's directed to me or personally. the person may talking about experience that i have no clue about it. so i take it just an opinion of theirs.

hyper, they don't think rationally. Most of it has to do with the civil war, but being irrational and carrying stereotypes of clans is still so stupid.

Its 2009... the whole ideal of clan in Somalia should have been wiped out.

Wallahi I wish something was done about it in Somali history... I even wish the colonials completely abolished it. Or did a complete INTENSIVE cultural overhaul like they did with the other Africans

[hilal2020]

Clan and politics go hand in hand in somalia, it's their culture and that's what they'v known since they even became a nationhood. It's unrealistic to believe this detriment will go away while our forfathers taught nothing but how rer hebel is this and rer hebel is that. Somali pple need a long rehabilitation that start from the Pro, doctors, and culimada.

[sadeboi]

I can proudly say I am tribal free and can have coffee with the old habergider neighbor of mines. People we are progressing

[Hyperactive]

I can proudly say I am tribal free and can have coffee with the old habergider neighbor of mines. People we are progressing

o awal cup ka shaah madan la abi jirin?

[sadeboi]

Salaat ayu bilaawey...nin cidaas ah oo tukado waa mahad alle...before that ani iyo shaytan yare mana is eegi jirin

[Voltage]

Firefly this is a response I gave a while ago to a topic started by Admin called craps and Somalis. You enquired how such thing as qabiil point of view arises and it sheds some light in the topic because it is a glimpse of my own story:


I don't think we are a nature of xaasids per se Admin. I think you are ignoring the big elephant in the room. The big elephant is Qabiil. Our xabiib is the one whom we think is good for our qabiil. Our cadow is the one who is bad for our qabiil. The people whose achievements we should celebrate are people we think are good for our qabiil and the people whose achievements we should put down are people we think are rivals/enemies to our qabiil.

This is already laid out through centuries of acculturation and cultural transformation in our harsh, desert, and resource lacking environment in the horn of Africa.

Balse maanta, I think there are individuals who are above such cut but from my own observation such people are almost always people who have forsaken their nation and people. From what I have observed, as long as you love Somalia and wish it the best it is really hard to separate yourself from the clan mentality because it is the vehicle in which you approach your nation, its what ties you to Somalia even when most of your family have left.

Take me for an example, I might as well have been born here. I went to kindergarten, elementary, middle, high school and now am in college. I ahve never set foot in Somalia since I left as a toddler nor do I remember anything about it. I am not old enough to have called on upon qabiil as a force to help me in anything. Yet while trying to find my link back to my origins, qabiil has largely been the channel in which I achieved that. Halkeen ka imi, aabahay halkee ka yimi, hooyo tolkeed waayo, ayayday tuuladee awoowgey ku aragtay, maxaa dhacayaa berigaas, tariikhda soomaaliyeed maxaad iiga sheegi kartaan, even while learning somali i learned the accent of "afkeena" (notice the emphasis on our clan and family group). So it became rooted in me, it became the prism through which I materialized my Somaliness in my internal psyche. it became the manifestation of SOMALINIMO in me, ileen Somali meel laga soo galo waa inaad leedahay.

However, when i did finally go to Africa this summer, it was like I was changed to be honest. Qabiil seemed nothing to me. When I saw masses of Somali refugees in Eastleigh walking in the mud and squaler and holed up in those cramp apt buildings I was able to sympathize with them and see them as Somali. I was not concerned that one was my clan or another was not, I was equally impacted by the misfortune that had befallen all. Masses of people who were landless, cast out from their home, and sent on a forced exile. Throughout my whole acculturation to becoming Somalia that I underwent behind the safety in the west, this is what was hidden from me---the real faces, and the real stories that was the collective sum of the Somali experience.

I discarded it then, but after coming back within months I transitioned back to my old state of mind though not fully and with the understanding of what I had seen which is a barrier from the excess of qabyaalad.

Now I know I wrote a lot as is natural for me but what I am saying is I dont think Somali people are xaasids baa nature, I think centuries of acculturation has entrenched qabiil into our psyche which then DICTATES whom we should we appreciate or whom we should not, whom we should endorse and whom we should not.

This explains why someone would think positive about Abdiqaasim but as soon as he is president (and because of that in a position of power to influence our qabiils directly for good or bad) we would discard what we personally believe of him and judge him simply on how our qabiil dictates we should judge him.

[yunis09]

like most things in life there are postives and negatives....having read most of the replies..no1 has mention any postives qabil has, yeah we know the negatives and we can point them out from comfortable lives in the west and dismiss qabil altogether but there are some postives aspects of having qabils we just need to learn how to get along....and truely act on what the prophet (SAW) said..."None of you truly believes (in Allah and in His religion) until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself".