Understanding Calaf...

[Alluring]

Fah,

God doesn't create people on the intention of them going to hell or heaven. God gives them choices, if they are already destined for HELL, what is the point of them living? I doubt God creates humans by designing them to go to hell.

[FAH1223]

Fah,

God doesn't create people on the intention of them going to hell or heaven. God gives them choices, if they are already destined for HELL, what is the point of them living? I doubt God creates humans by designing them to go to hell.

saying this implies Allah does not know the future

which is illogical as Allah has created time and space

you best damn well believe he knows who is going to heaven or hell, this is HIS UNIVERSE... all that is in between is his kingdom and he can do whatever he wants and he created the hell fire so he can put whoever he wants in it for a MULTITUDE of reasons

it is WE who do not know who is going to heaven or hell, it is WE who need to our best to avoid the fire

[Alluring]

God knows the future in WHAT you are going to do. God does not intent BAD things. That is the difference.

How hard is that to grasp?

[FAH1223]

God knows the future in WHAT you are going to do. God does not intent BAD things. That is the difference.

How hard is that to grasp?

Allah created hellfire. He also can put whoever he wants in it.

Let us use Fir'coon... who he created. Fir'coon was a man who declared himself God, he thought he was self sufficient.

All of that stuff was written by Allah, the birth of Musa came about and we know how the story goes...

I'd say one of the good reasons Allah created the hellfire and also puts people in there is a reminder and an example, don't you think?

Btw just because it is written does not mean people can use the excuse "oh it was written so all of it was bad because of Allah doing it"... people have to be and ARE accountable.

[Diyeeshaha_Tolka]

CALAF,, ppl use that as excuse when they make bad choice,,calafkii baa noqday maxaan ka qaban karnaa,,or lazy ppl saying calafkeyga ayaan sugayaa

[Murax]

Listen Guys, According the the Sunnah With predestiniation We take it as Iman (Faith) and We don't dwelve into it because this is something Allah Has created and it is too deep for our human minds to dig deep into it and fully grasp it.


Faith is to believe in Allah, His Angels, His books, His Prophets, The day of judgement, and Pre destination (Its good and bad). If You do not believe in any one of those including Pre destination You have disbelieved.


Read the 2nd Hadith in Nawawi

[FAH1223]

Listen Guys, According the the Sunnah With predestiniation We take it as Iman (Faith) and We don't dwelve into it because this is something Allah Has created and it is too deep for our human minds to dig deep into it and fully grasp it.


Faith is to believe in Allah, His Angels, His books, His Prophets, The day of judgement, and Pre destination (Its good and bad). If You do not believe in any one of those including Pre destination You have disbelieved.


Read the 2nd Hadith in Nawawi

I think everyone here believes in Pre-Destination

I'm taking a simple approach for people to understand. It IS deep and it IS complicated... and it is one of those things the kuffar will try to hit at you and break your faith... but Islam has all the answers

[Alluring]

That story does not pertain to MODERN society, Fah. Those things needed to happen, so people like US and those in the FUTURE could understand what happens in certain circumstances. But, now in this world where there are no prophets, or the spitting of seas, there is reality. And that is we as human beings are given choices, and if we choose bad we go to hell..if we choose good we go to heaven. But at this time and age we aren't designed as tests or examples. So, if someone is a crack whore who sleeps around for a bag of M&M's it sure isn't God's will. As in God wants good in people, WANTS good for people, but in the long run our choices are ours, and God is knowning of that choice before US.

[FAH1223]

That story does not pertain to MODERN society, Fah. Those things needed to happen, so people like US and those in the FUTURE could understand what happens in certain circumstances. But, now in this world where there are no prophets, or the spitting of seas, there is reality. And that is we as human beings are given choices, and if we choose bad we go to hell..if we choose good we go to heaven. But at this time and age we aren't designed as tests or examples. So, if someone is a crack whore who sleeps around for a bag of M&M's it sure isn't God's will. As in God wants good in people, WANTS good for people, but in the long run our choices are ours, and God is knowning of that choice before US.

There is nothing in your post that contradicts with what I'm putting out.

So I'll leave it here

[Murax]

Listen Guys, According the the Sunnah With predestiniation We take it as Iman (Faith) and We don't dwelve into it because this is something Allah Has created and it is too deep for our human minds to dig deep into it and fully grasp it.


Faith is to believe in Allah, His Angels, His books, His Prophets, The day of judgement, and Pre destination (Its good and bad). If You do not believe in any one of those including Pre destination You have disbelieved.


Read the 2nd Hadith in Nawawi

I think everyone here believes in Pre-Destination

I'm taking a simple approach for people to understand. It IS deep and it IS complicated... and it is one of those things the kuffar will try to hit at you and break your faith... but Islam has all the answers

Yes it is deep, so deep that the Prophet saw told us to not dig deep into it and just take it as faith.

[Alluring]

That story does not pertain to MODERN society, Fah. Those things needed to happen, so people like US and those in the FUTURE could understand what happens in certain circumstances. But, now in this world where there are no prophets, or the spitting of seas, there is reality. And that is we as human beings are given choices, and if we choose bad we go to hell..if we choose good we go to heaven. But at this time and age we aren't designed as tests or examples. So, if someone is a crack whore who sleeps around for a bag of M&M's it sure isn't God's will. As in God wants good in people, WANTS good for people, but in the long run our choices are ours, and God is knowning of that choice before US.

There is nothing in your post that contradicts with what I'm putting out.

So I'll leave it here

It actually did. And it would be best for it to be left here. Allah is all GOOD! ALWAYS and sees GOOD always. Humans are the mess ups!

[Voltage]

Pre-destination is real, in the sense our life journey is already recorded and written down. But our actions written down are the actions we CHOOSE to take in this life. God is all powerful and his knowledge is infinite. God can see what we will do, that is not even the base level of His power. The idea that I can close my eyes and walk head long into the freeway and whether I get hit or not is an ignorant understanding of this fact. This is borne out of centuries old ignorance and superstitions that have plagued people. Free will is entirely for you to decide and this is what you will be judged on. Still predestination does go hand in hand with free will.

To give you guys understanding of some of the complex relationship between predestination and free will, lets take a look at a test. I control how much effort or time I put into studying for an exam. That is freewill. But still whether I am lucky in that test or fail is entirely in God's hand. I can study for it all I want, be prepared for it as well as I think can be, but if God has not decided I will pass then I will not pass. That is predestination. What is free will is the amount of time I chose to prepare. Fah is right, this part of knowledge is very deep and beyond our full comprehension but what I want to stress is that humans do have control over our actions and if I choose to go out and drink tonight, sure it is "written" for me but it is because God in his infinite knowledge was able to see I would choose this course. The same for many of those actions excuse with "calaf".

No it's not "calaf", you just need to learn your religion!

[Hyperactive]

is Calaf means naseeb? maktoob/maqdoor?

[Voltage]

Hyper Calaf in english means full 100% predistination. I have no control over my actions, what I do, etc.

[Buhodle-Gurl]

is Calaf means naseeb? maktoob/maqdoor?

what the hell is maqdoor & maktoob. Calaf means Kismat.