There are no such things as accidents

[ms.naliaa]

Do you concur?

[Sir-Luggoyo]

Cars collide
Planes crash
Boats capsize
Bikes clatter


Ok, back to yr remark


Yes, there are things that happen by accidents.

Women get pregnant by accident
Ppl meet by accident

[ms.naliaa]

Cars collide
Planes crash
Boats capsize
Bikes clatter


Ok, back to yr remark


Yes, there are things that happen by accidents.

Women get pregnant by accident
Ppl meet by accident

But, people (muslims mainly) say that everything is 'written' therefore its not really an accident is it?

[zulaika]

nalia,

i sorta agree...to an extent though.

we can't go about life writing off everything faulty that happens as "it was meant to be"....

what i believe to be "written" or set in stone..is the "path"...our personal discretion in how we approach that path rests entirely upon us.

[Ms.Erudite]

I disagree,

An accident is an act/consequence that is unintended.

The concept in Islam that everything is written down, does not mean that everything that happens is pre-determinded and thus occurs on 'purpose' but that Allah (swt) knows everything that we do before we do it, we still have the power of free will/choice etc.
Therefore I think when people say that "it was meant to be" are referring to the fact that Allah (swt) as the most powerful is able to change it, but does not, thus it must serve a purpose.

There is such a thing as accidents,ie: unintended acts such as car crashes, bumping into someone, plane collisions etc, things that don't occur on purpose but a purpose can be found in these events.

[ms.naliaa]

I disagree,

An accident is an act/consequence that is unintended.

The concept in Islam that everything is written down, does not mean that everything that happens is pre-determinded and thus occurs on 'purpose' but that Allah (swt) knows everything that we do before we do it, we still have the power of free will/choice etc.
Therefore I think when people say that "it was meant to be" are referring to the fact that Allah (swt) as the most powerful is able to change it, but does not, thus it must serve a purpose.

There is such a thing as accidents,ie: unintended acts such as car crashes, bumping into someone, plane collisions etc, things that don't occur on purpose but a purpose can be found in these events.

Just want to play devils advocate here:

Allah (swt) knows everything were are going to do/have done/ have thought of doing is because he has alreayd determined everything for us...no?
Everything is 'our' lives was determined before you were even a fetus...so how can something be an accident if it was all planned?

btw: I hate when ppl use 'it was written' as an excuse for their lives.
But I just wanna have a discussion here.

[black velvet]

btw: I hate when ppl use 'it was written' as an excuse for their lives.
But I just wanna have a discussion here. [/color]

I don't think religion especially this topic is something to be argued just for the sake of it, especially by people of limited understanding.

This is the 6th belief - what it takes to be a muslim. I know you like the drama lakin not this

[surrender]

Allah (swt) knows everything were are going to do/have done/ have thought of doing is because he has alreayd determined everything for us...no?
Everything is 'our' lives was determined before you were even a fetus...so how can something be an accident if it was all planned?

there is two powers you need to consider here: iraadah and qudrah as we call them in Arabic. Qudrah is the power or ability to do things, while iraadah means choice. For example you could perform certain actions with your hands or your legs, your eyes, and so on: every system, every part of your body has the power to do something – some action – by virtue of its qudrah. That action can be like a double-edged sword – it can be good or it can be evil. The power of choice has been given to man to channel his behavior and by this it is implied that man is free. Man is free: it means nothing external is pushing him to do things in a certain way, except his own choice – his own iraadah.

[surrender]

here's something else i found interested!

We frequently utilize certain terminology, especially in Arabic such as maktoob or Allah katabah ‘alayka meaning “it is something written”. For example “it is something written that you will be this way or you will be that way”. That is referred to in Islamic philosophy as Destiny or Al-Qadā’ wa- al-Qadar. And that is a question which puzzled the ulama for many years of the Islamic history: If God has “written” for me that I'll be, say, a thief then why does He punish me? That’s the puzzling question.

Philosophically speaking, we talk about iraadah, ‘Amr, and ‘Ilm.Iraadah means choice. 'Ilm means knowledge. Amr means order. God ordered (‘Amr) man to be good. Man is accountable before God as to whether he follows His orders or not (iraadah); he is not accountable for His knowledge (‘Ilm). ‘Ilm refers to the knowledge of God and the knowledge of God is all-encompassing: God knows who is going to be born in the year 2020, if it will be a male or female, whether tall or short, polite or not, and if he or she will abide by the orders of God. So, although God ordered him to be a good man He knows that this person will be disobedient in spite of the orders and will not follow the rules of God. That is what we call “written”. It does not mean that God is forcing us to do things. Everything in this life could be good and could be evil. For example, some people say music is haram. That is wrong. Music could be good; it could! If it is good it is halal if it is bad it is haram. Otherwise having a hand is haram because you could extend it to another person with a pistol and put a bullet in his head or you could extend it to a poor person with a charity or zakat. So, it depends upon your choice – your iraadah – and how you utilize that article which Allah created for you.

[Kolombo]

Allah (swt) knows everything were are going to do/have done/ have thought of doing is because he has alreayd determined everything for us...no?
Everything is 'our' lives was determined before you were even a fetus...so how can something be an accident if it was all planned?

Everything we've ever done and will do are actions of our own choosing. The concept of time and space does not apply to Allah, he can see the past, present and future happening all at once, that's where the whole "everything is written" comes in to play. Our ultimate fate, be it hell or heaven are of our own choosing, Allah did not decide out of the blue, otherwise "free-will" would be non-existent and there would be no point to living.

Check out this lecture by Harun Yahya, it will change how you think about fate, destiny, etc.

http://aswatalislam.net/search.aspx?str ... melessness

[Firefly]

When I break a cup, it's an accident. (wakhtigiisa dhamaaday lol).

When I drop a baby on the floor, it's my fault.

[Ms.Erudite]

Allah (swt) knows everything were are going to do/have done/ have thought of doing is because he has alreayd determined everything for us...no?
Everything is 'our' lives was determined before you were even a fetus...so how can something be an accident if it was all planned?

btw: I hate when ppl use 'it was written' as an excuse for their lives.
But I just wanna have a discussion here. [/color]

No Allah (swt) knows what we are going to do/have done/have thought of doing because he is the All-knowing.By that logic, none of my decisions would be my own, thus i would be unable to be held to account. Which defeats the whole purpose of this life.

When I break a cup, it's an accident. (wakhtigiisa dhamaaday lol).

When I drop a baby on the floor, it's my fault.

Accidents do not negate fault but indicate a lack of intention. In both situations you would be at fault, the baby scenario is capable of being an accident.

[Firefly]

Ms_Erudite:- I was trying to make the point that if it's an object (cup etc) you tend to feel less guilty, and accept that it was an accident, but when it's a child/person it's harder to accept it an as accident, and you feel more guilty. I don't think any 'accident' happens by intention, because if you intended it to happen it's no longer an 'accident' but something that was orchestrated. You're right about the baby situation being capable of being an accident, but you'd feel more at fault, and you're less likely to accept it as such.

[snoop12]

as i understand it, everything is written down before your birth, but obviously you are not aware of what is written down, and therefore you will do things in the future which are known to Allah but you are not aware of those things you will do until the time comes and you decide to do them.

basically a record is made of the things you will do, these things you have decided to do yourself but as Allah knows the future the past and the present, your actions are already known and recorded. in a sense you have no power over your own freewill but because you are not aware of what is written you cant possibly do things that were not suppose to happen because they were suppose to happen

besides, accidents happen because of you, take for example if you spilled some chocolate drink on your homework, you did not mean to do it but you did it due to your clumsiness or bad body coordination or because the chocolate drink was simply too hot

[ms.naliaa]

as i understand it, everything is written down before your birth, but obviously you are not aware of what is written down, and therefore you will do things in the future which are known to Allah but you are not aware of those things you will do until the time comes and you decide to do them.

basically a record is made of the things you will do, these things you have decided to do yourself but as Allah knows the future the past and the present, your actions are already known and recorded. in a sense you have no power over your own freewill but because you are not aware of what is written you cant possibly do things that were not suppose to happen because they were suppose to happen

besides, accidents happen because of you, take for example if you spilled some chocolate drink on your homework, you did not mean to do it but you did it due to your clumsiness or bad body coordination or because the chocolate drink was simply too hot

lol wtf
did you read that b4 you posted?





To All:
I thinkl you guys are all pretty much saying the same thing..but it keeps goig in a circle with no defined answer. But as it be; there are things in this world that we will NEVER know the answers to...and this is one of them for me.
I'll leave it to Allah to guide us all to jenna!