Somalia: State of the Nation 1 January, 2010

[Twisted_Logic]

Horta anybody that doesn't sing from America's hymn sheet is classed as an international pariah, so America not liking Al-Shabab is not necessarily a bad thing it just means they put their own interest ahead of Americas. So I dont agree with judging Al-Shabab by the standards set by the west because those are standards set to serve their own interest. The only people who would be acceptable to American in somalia would be a puppet regime to do their bidding even if it goes against our national interest.

Are you speaking as a Somlilander or a Somali here?

I can't tell the difference

[Voltage]

BTW, you make it out as if you were on the front lines as a USC soldier...get outta here negro

you quoted a man saying that those who have been thru war dont dwell on it too much rather than those who haven't....

[GENERAL_SNM]

Horta anybody that doesn't sing from America's hymn sheet is classed as an international pariah, so America not liking Al-Shabab is not necessarily a bad thing it just means they put their own interest ahead of Americas. So I dont agree with judging Al-Shabab by the standards set by the west because those are standards set to serve their own interest. The only people who would be acceptable to American in somalia would be a puppet regime to do their bidding even if it goes against our national interest.

Are you speaking as a Somlilander or a Somali here?

I can't tell the difference

Whats the difference? One is today the other is tomorrow inshallah.

[Twisted_Logic]

TL,

No one in Qoriyooleey will say no to Shabaab when the likes of Indhacadde is stairing them in the face, infact its the likes of Indhacadde that the boys in Qoriyooleey are joining Shabaab to begin with.

When a viable solution is found Shabaab will be defeated as swiftly as they came, in the meantime find that viable solution.

Pure non-sense.

Your arguments on this issue are fundamentally flawed. Provided Indocade is wrong for ruling Sh/Hoose, and evil for doing some very nasty deeds, but how does that justify Al Shabab again? You are painting the people of Sh/Hoose as some sort of unarmed civilians caught in the great injustice of Indocade, this is utterly stupid. They are capable of standing up and defending their lands without relying on international jihadists to exchange one form of injustice for another.

[Twisted_Logic]

Horta anybody that doesn't sing from America's hymn sheet is classed as an international pariah, so America not liking Al-Shabab is not necessarily a bad thing it just means they put their own interest ahead of Americas. So I dont agree with judging Al-Shabab by the standards set by the west because those are standards set to serve their own interest. The only people who would be acceptable to American in somalia would be a puppet regime to do their bidding even if it goes against our national interest.

Are you speaking as a Somlilander or a Somali here?

I can't tell the difference

Whats the difference? One is today the other is tomorrow inshallah.

I am just used to hearing "Zoomalia" and " we are Somalialnd and have nothing to do with Somalia" talk from you

[Voltage]

You see this as an accomplishment. I would pity you if I didn't think that it was a fake attempt of objectivity.

Well the thing is I would be surprised if you had ever employed objectivity and therefor understand what it is to be objective.

[Twisted_Logic]

You see this as an accomplishment. I would pity you if I didn't think that it was a fake attempt of objectivity.

Well the thing is I would be surprised if you had ever employed objectivity.

The difference between you and me is that I don't shy away to state my true feelings and not hide behind "nationalist" and "religious" rhetoric to validate my arguments. You do. Heck, even your own Darood people see you as shady creature

[Shirib]

TL,

No one in Qoriyooleey will say no to Shabaab when the likes of Indhacadde is stairing them in the face, infact its the likes of Indhacadde that the boys in Qoriyooleey are joining Shabaab to begin with.

When a viable solution is found Shabaab will be defeated as swiftly as they came, in the meantime find that viable solution.

Pure non-sense.

Your arguments on this issue are fundamentally flawed. Provided Indocade is wrong for ruling Sh/Hoose, and evil for doing some very nasty deeds, but how does that justify Al Shabab again? You are painting the people of Sh/Hoose as some sort of unarmed civilians caught in the great injustice of Indocade, this is utterly stupid. They are capable of standing up and defending their lands without relying on international jihadists to exchange one form of injustice for another.

Argument is there and its on point, you just don't want to admit it, cause that is exactly how the case is saaxib.

Again when a viable solution is found, Shabaab will be defeated, now we gotta get busy on finding that viable solution.

[Twisted_Logic]

TL,

No one in Qoriyooleey will say no to Shabaab when the likes of Indhacadde is stairing them in the face, infact its the likes of Indhacadde that the boys in Qoriyooleey are joining Shabaab to begin with.

When a viable solution is found Shabaab will be defeated as swiftly as they came, in the meantime find that viable solution.

Pure non-sense.

Your arguments on this issue are fundamentally flawed. Provided Indocade is wrong for ruling Sh/Hoose, and evil for doing some very nasty deeds, but how does that justify Al Shabab again? You are painting the people of Sh/Hoose as some sort of unarmed civilians caught in the great injustice of Indocade, this is utterly stupid. They are capable of standing up and defending their lands without relying on international jihadists to exchange one form of injustice for another.

Argument is there and its on point, you just don't want to admit it, cause that is exactly how the case is saaxib.

Again when a viable solution is found, Shabaab will be defeated, now we gotta get busy on finding that viable solution.

A roadmap has to precede any "alternative." Hence, why it is important to defeat Al Shabab now instead of waiting it to grow bigger and more powerful. You want to put the genie back into the bottle when you are done using it, this is childish. There will be no happy ending to this.

[Voltage]

The difference between you and me is that I don't shy away to state my true feelings and not hide behind "nationalist" and "religious" rhetoric to validate my arguments. You do. Heck, even your own Darood people see you as shady creature

I am an individual and do not look to my clan or anyone else for validation. The weak and insecure do that, which is why you lick after Abdiwahab whose politics is strategically diametrically opposed to what you truly stand for and why you were the first Mudulood I have ever seen to praise Caydiid. Fah is also a strong individual which is why you try to bring him down at any given situation so as he too can seek validation from Abdiwahab. I have my own opinions and beliefs and I will say so and what I say is what I mean and what I believe so if you believe not being simplistic by subscribing to a black and white translation of Somalia's complex and complicated political situation is me "hiding being nationalism" and "rhetoric" well then that is you, a simplistic partisan whose preoccupied with looking for validation.

You should not try to ignore my comment on the ineffectiveness of the TFG's highest leadership to step to the plate.

[AbdiWahab252]

FAH,

Go ahead and continue supporting Shabab When they hang your grandfather for being an associate of AY, don't come crying tears.

One thing I will credit Shabab with is that they are very efficient killers who liquidate existing or perceived enemies immediately. Their discipline is amazing and so is their propaganda.

TL,


If you go back to the people who supported the Wadaads back in 2006, many of them have been turned off. The short term quiet in 2006 was just the quiet before the storm.

There is no negotiating with these men. They don't believe in it. Its their way or no way. Its worse as they believe they are on divine mission.

[GENERAL_SNM]

="Twisted_Logic"]

Horta anybody that doesn't sing from America's hymn sheet is classed as an international pariah, so America not liking Al-Shabab is not necessarily a bad thing it just means they put their own interest ahead of Americas. So I dont agree with judging Al-Shabab by the standards set by the west because those are standards set to serve their own interest. The only people who would be acceptable to American in somalia would be a puppet regime to do their bidding even if it goes against our national interest.

Are you speaking as a Somlilander or a Somali here?

I can't tell the difference

Whats the difference? One is today the other is tomorrow inshallah.

I am just used to hearing "Zoomalia" and " we are Somalialnd and have nothing to do with Somalia" talk from you [/quote]

War somalia, somaliland its all the same to the whiteman.

[Xaaji_Waraabe-]

General_SNM,

is a sensible and reasonable Lander

[Shirib]

A roadmap has to precede any "alternative." Hence, why it is important to defeat Al Shabab now instead of waiting it to grow bigger and more powerful. You want to put the genie back into the bottle when you are done using it, this is childish. There will be no happy ending to this.

I don't even see a roadmap. The TFG is the most incompetent thing on earth, and I am willing to bet a lot that many of those "TFG" are working for Aweys and Shabaab. What will defeat Shabaab? U can't rely on foreign forces and it doesn't look like anyone agrees on fighting them collectively. Remember odayaasha Hawiye saying Shariif cannot use his Abgaal to fight Shabaab.Yet they don't want to fight them.

Whats the roadmap? Cause honestly I see the TFG as the most incompetent entity on earth, if they looked somewhat functional they would get a lot more support but they aren't.

[Twisted_Logic]

The difference between you and me is that I don't shy away to state my true feelings and not hide behind "nationalist" and "religious" rhetoric to validate my arguments. You do. Heck, even your own Darood people see you as shady creature

I am an individual and do not look to my clan or anyone else for validation. The weak and insecure do that, which is why you lick after Abdiwahab whose politics is strategically diametrically opposed to what you truly stand for and why you were the first Mudulood I have ever seen to praise Caydiid. Fah is also a strong individual which is why you try to bring him down at any given situation so as he too can seek validation from Abdiwahab. I have my own opinions and beliefs and I will say so and what I say is what I mean and what I believe so if you believe not being simplistic by subscribing to a black and white translation of Somalia's complex and complicated political situation is me "hiding being nationalism" and "rhetoric" well then that is you, a simple man looking for validation.

You should not try to ignore my comment on the ineffectiveness of the TFG's highest leadership to step to the plate.

In that sense even the robot Somali-star is an individual.

You carry the distinction of being the most clan-minded on SNET as member’s opinions prove. Even within your own Darood clan, you are seen as a fringe element who strives to divide and cause more division within that said clan. Certainly, you continuous fights with members from the Puntland state are prove of that. You have even used religion to justify some very perverted arguments like your previous support for Al Shabab and other terrorist groups in Somalia. You continue to further some very annoying theories like Ahmed Gurey being Marehan and continue to even remotely criticize the late Somali dictator Mohamed Siyad Barre. You have refused to call Hiraale a warlord. In fact, your very avatar is rooted in can. Yet, you want to tell us that “do not look to my clan or anyone else for validation.”

Your arguments are very moronic indeed.