Discovery Channel Proves the Qur'an to be the word of God !!

[Voltage]

As for Alphamander. There is a parallel in his writing style and usage of general bold font:

As someone who studied physics at college, you should know better than simply ''saying'' whereof you should ''show''. You have, from my post, the required details of both the Ostrich egg (length and width) and Earth's radius (both at the equator and the poles). Go on and do the maths for yourself.

and yours

http://somalinet.com/forums/search.php? ... t&start=15


One atheist. Needs three nicks to back himself up. You are only deluding yourself.

[ModerateMuslim]

voltage,

why are you so obsessed with this topic and this multi-nicking kaffir coward?

[Voltage]

I want to convert him and get the ajar. It is amazing how this kaffir is blind to such scientific evidence contained in a book attributed to a 6th century illiterate man in backward Arabia. He wants to argue for the sake of arguing but I am convinced somewhere along the line he is capable of realizing the power of what is before him.

Right now he has ran away twice but the irony is if he has to avoid explaining away what is before him to a mere human, where will he go in the final day? You cannot "log out" to stave off confrontation during Aakhira.

[Mozart]

So, not only am I Hoowle, but Alphamander as well who is also Hoowle who is as well me. And in the quest of proving your theory, you set out in search for evidence and then found two things: A Post and Search Link! And said the connection between the two to be the boldness in font! More to the case you being stupid. Hoowle offered you a solution earlier, but you were to stupid to make use of it: Why Don't You Go And Ask The Moderators/adminstrators? Let me guess: you can't because they are probably tired of your stupidity? It would seem so.

[Hoowle]

The verse in the Qur'an is "And We have decreed set phases for the moon, until it ends up looking like an old date branch. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 36:39-40)"

And I have shown that the Quran DOES state the sun and moon both orbit the earth. That is the issue; not whether the sun or moon actually moves, it's their orbits about the earth. We know the moon orbits the earth but the sun doesn't. The Quran says the sun orbits the earth. How so? Here in these verses:

And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit. Surah 21; Verse 33

-- the key phrase here is "each in an orbit." But orbit about what? We find the answer in the following verses:

014.033
YUSUFALI: And He hath made subject to you the sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their courses; and the night and the day hath he (also) made subject to you.
PICKTHAL: And maketh the sun and the moon, constant in their courses, to be of service unto you, and hath made of service unto you the night and the day.
SHAKIR: And He has made subservient to you the sun and the moon pursuing their courses, and He has made subservient to you the night and the day.

-- in this verse we see the purpose of the sun and earth is provide nigh and day FOR the earth. In other words, the sun orbits the earth. In another verse I posted earlier, the sun and moon seem to be locked in a race with the moon "following the sun."

091.001
YUSUFALI: By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour;
PICKTHAL: By the sun and his brightness,
SHAKIR: I swear by the sun and its brilliance,

091.002
YUSUFALI: By the Moon as she follows him;
PICKTHAL: And the moon when she followeth him,
SHAKIR: And the moon when it follows the sun


Furthermore, the Quran doesn't mention: solar system, empty space, planetary system, the planets, our galaxy, quasars and pulsars, black holes or any advanced cosmology/astronomy that would impress educated modern man. In fact, the Quran says the sun sets and rises somewhere here on earth in verses: 18:86 and 18:90

From there verses a couple of things are clear. One, BOTH the sun and the moon orbit the earth. Two, the quran is only HALF right. True, the moon does orbit the earth but not the sun. Of course the Quran is completely wrong with the whole business of sun setting somewhere here on earth or being chased by the moon.


Ergo, the Quran is wrong.

But lets, arguendo, say that I am wrong and the Quran is correct in claiming:

And We have decreed set phases for the moon, until it ends up looking like an old date branch. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 36:39-40)

Solar eclipse REQUIRES the moon and sun to "overtake" each other. Otherwise solar eclipses would be impossible if Quran 36:39-40 is true.

Therefore, Quran is doubly wrong. And I'm still right.

Now here is the thing, the Moon rotates on the Earth's axis and essentially it ORBITS the Earth. The Earth and Moon system in turn orbit the Sun as a pair which means the moon orbits the sun.[/color]

Complete nonsense. Quran shows no signs of knowledge about planetary motions at all. How can you claim the earth orbits the sun when the Quran says the sun rests in muddy spring here ON earth? This verse, which I posted above, essentially discredits your argument above. My argument that the Quran actually says the sun and the moon both orbit the earth makes more sense and is supported by the Quran.

The Qur'an specifically says that the Sun is the center of the Universe,

Actually, you say that! No where in the Quran does it say the sun is the center of our solar system (not universe btw). How can it, the Quran doesn't even acknowledge the existence of solar system or universe. Instead the Quran says the sun sets in muddy spring here on Earth. So you're clearly lying about the Quran once again.

[Voltage]

I wonder if you realize you have given up and question why.

[ModerateMuslim]

I want to convert him and get the ajar.

in that case, good luck (mostly for his sake)

but i'm afraid its going to be to no avail; it appears that allah swt has sealed his diseased heart (with pure nifaaq).

[Mozart]

I wonder if you realize you have given up and question why.

I was right then, eh? You can't ask the moderators because they are tired of your craziness and stupidity.

[Hoowle]

You have twice said you will respond and both your athiestic pride and foundation are on the line so I will check back tomorrow if you have responded. If you have not, you should know why.

My response is there now. Address it and stop the calaacal, it's getting unbearable.

[Koronto89]

Voltage,

I hope you realize Hoowle is that misguided fool Dhuusa-Dheere.

Is it a wonder how he disappeared as soon as LionHeart exposed Galool & Avowedly-Agnostic?

Don't waste your energy on the senile old fart sxb.

[Mozart]

LionHeart exposed Galool & Avowedly-Agnostic?

How did he expose them and for what and why?

[Voltage]

Poor guy, he had to contribute something and he came back with a wounded man's effort.

The verse in the Qur'an is "And We have decreed set phases for the moon, until it ends up looking like an old date branch. It is not for the sun to overtake the moon nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere. (Qur'an, 36:39-40)"

And I have shown that the Quran DOES state the sun and moon both orbit the earth. That is the issue; not whether the sun or moon actually moves, it's their orbits about the earth. We know the moon orbits the earth but the sun doesn't. The Quran says the sun orbits the earth. How so? Here in these verses:

And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit. Surah 21; Verse 33

-- the key phrase here is "each in an orbit." But orbit about what? We find the answer in the following verses:

014.033
YUSUFALI: And He hath made subject to you the sun and the moon, both diligently pursuing their courses; and the night and the day hath he (also) made subject to you.
PICKTHAL: And maketh the sun and the moon, constant in their courses, to be of service unto you, and hath made of service unto you the night and the day.
SHAKIR: And He has made subservient to you the sun and the moon pursuing their courses, and He has made subservient to you the night and the day.

-- in this verse we see the purpose of the sun and earth is provide nigh and day FOR the earth. In other words, the sun orbits the earth. In another verse I posted earlier, the sun and moon seem to be locked in a race with the moon "following the sun."

I won't even let you entertain a serious discussion of such ridiculous translation.

Allah does say all those things have been made subservient to US as were the animals made for US to consume and for prophets for US to follow. God addresses his subjects, the children of Adam and the Jinn.

Since when has God addressed the Earth as a subject?

Furthermore, what does the Quran really say about the Earth as a physical manifestation with respect to the movement of the solar system.

The Qur'an says:

By the Sun and its morning brightness, and the moon when it follows it, and the day when it displays it, and the night when it conceals it (Chapter of the Sun, 1-4)"

The Qur'an specifically says that the Sun is the center of the Universe, that it is the MOON which follows it, and that is night and day who conceal with with respect to their position of time, that being the EARTH'S MOVEMENT, its revolution around the sun that accounts for day and night....essentially the SUN IS THE CENTER.

This has absolutely NO PRECEDENCE and just entered historical Western record books in the 18th century. Before that the Western world believed in "geo-centrism" or the Earth being the center. A book attributed to a 6th century Arab bedouin wrote about helio-centrism my friend and you continue to believe this is false!

This was your great response? It is even more ironic when you realize this was not your original contention. Your original contention was the Qur'an says (and I quote):

Clearly the Quran can not be the infallible word of God. Because God would have known the sun doesn't and can not "follow the moon."

^The Qur'an does not say that at all. You even misunderstand the verse you brought which says:

YUSUFALI: By the Moon as she follows him;
PICKTHAL: And the moon when she followeth him,
SHAKIR: And the moon when it follows the sun

The Qur'an then and there says "And the moon when it follows the sun". The Qur'an attributed to a 6th century illiterate man says the moon follows the sun. Now what does modern science say?

Modern science says the Moon rotates on the Earth's axis and essentially it ORBITS the Earth. The Earth and Moon system in turn orbit the Sun as a pair which means the moon orbits the sun JUST LIKE THOSE VERSES said which you mistranslated and misunderstand.

[Voltage]

Voltage,

I hope you realize Hoowle is that misguided fool Dhuusa-Dheere.

Is it a wonder how he disappeared as soon as LionHeart exposed Galool & Avowedly-Agnostic?

Don't waste your energy on the senile old fart sxb.

Too late. It took 5 minutes of basic reading of Quranic verses to shred his month's long response. Waaba child play waxakin. I mean how can you seriously believe in something you knowingly try to misconstrue and miscredit because you have no other way of tackling it? He is only fooling himself.

[Hoowle]

Voltage,

I hope you realize Hoowle is that misguided fool Dhuusa-Dheere.

Is it a wonder how he disappeared as soon as LionHeart exposed Galool & Avowedly-Agnostic?

Don't waste your energy on the senile old fart sxb.

The paranoia continues. I guess I'm also now Dhusa Dheere, galool and avowedly-agnostic on top of being hoowle, mozart, alphamander and a couple other dudes I forgot...

I must have really shaken up the faithful tonight.

[Voltage]

I must have really shaken up the faithful tonight.

The irony of your arrogance is second only to your blindness.