Stoning to Death

[Hyperactive]

what they dont understand is, quran we reading today was narratored by sahabah who are also in the chain of narrations for ahadith and for questioning or rejecting ahadith in which the same sahabah are narrators.
then they rejecting same narrators who compile the quran in the form of a mushaf we have it today.

[Mad May]

However, NEVER NEVER apply your own reasoning to ISLAM. NEVER do this. Don't find excuse for the laws of Allah swt, this is dangerous. Your are commanded to follow, so Khalas, follow!

What about the idea of ijtihad, some say only qualified scholars are able to do so, others say a any muslim can apply their intellect to deduce the essence of the Quran and Sunnah

[fisabililah]

assalamu aleykum,

you will find most of the heretics in this age beleive in Islaam as long as the majority(who happen to be kufar) are happy with it, as soon as the huduud ie the punishments prescribed by sharica are mentioned. you will find them coming out to please the kufaar. They will make statements like ' this is not from islam' etc.. or its not mentioned in the Quran , or the hadeeth are not accurate etc..

{“Say: ‘If you truly love Allah, follow me, and Allah will Love you…’”}”

[DR-YALAXOOW]

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No there isn't. But the Quran also says kill the kuffar where ever u see them, why are we not doing that?

where is in the quran which says kill every kuffar you see?? where is that?

there is no such versus which says we have to kill non muslims???

[gedo_gurl]

MR Yungfresh...do not misquote me...when did I say the Quran said to follow the Quran alone? You made an entire post refuting something which I do not even deny?

And the rest of you are making the same point...I dont disagree with hadith, nor do I reject them...you keep talking about how do I know how to pray etc...I already told you FROM THE HADITH...yet because of your inability to comprehend the slightest iota of independant thought...you all come close to putting takfir ("Gaalnimo baad u dhoowdahey") on me.

Hyper..who says the Asxaaba are doubted? How many people are before the asxaba in these chains? This knee jerk reaction to things is why Snetters will never be able to debate, they miscontrue peoples statements so that they can make a cheap point to feel good about themselves.

[Hyperactive]

people responding for picking and choosing what they want from sunnah.
not particular you or his or her. stop being emotional.

people debating just like you debating. what gives you right to give your opinion and not others?

what i see here youngfresh and others just talking about the topic and we're debating the topic.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

allah said on hes holy quran

Surah An-Nur, verse 2, it says,” The woman and man guilty of adultery or fornication-flog each of them with a hundred stripes: let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the last day: and let a party of believers witness their punishment”.

then if you come up whit hadiith which contradics what allah said, so that hadiith is absolutly a false one.

even people who claime quran says stone people for zinaa they make up and try even change quran and claime there were forgeten verse aayah about stoning

allah does not forget. subxaana wataacaala and quran is 1000% complete. there were never a forgeten stoning aayah.

stoning is from bibel not from quran-. we have to fellow quran and those hadiiths which are not contradicting quran

[gedo_gurl]

Hyper,
This the third time I have been called 'emotional' lol for saying things anyone else would have said on this site, Im not upset in the slightest, or emotional, just making sure you were not making a reference to me, as there are atleast three posters already that took my words out of context.

[Hyperactive]

lol then i wasnt wrong, people before me called you that.

to set the recoerd i didnt read your posts though and wasnt even addressing you.

as usually here, only forst couple posts are on the topic and rest is just some thing else-let me be nice here-.lol

[gedo_gurl]

lol then i wasnt wrong, people before me called you that.

to set the recoerd i didnt read your posts though and wasnt even addressing you.

as usually here, only forst couple posts are on the topic and rest is just some thing else-let me be nice here-.lol

Yes if Michael Ital is someone you set your standards by, then no you werent wrong
Good to know you werent addressing me, that is all I was checking. I will let you be nice as long as you are nice to me...I dont respond well to sour comments like the one above

[Hyperactive]

lol you're kind of emotional.
if you're in debate people will through some thing your way.
you either ignore side comment and address the issue or be like them.

you cannot be this sensitive in this join.
knowing you're little older , blood presure ba kugu di'i.lol

[The_Emperior5]

Is there are lots of koranic Muslims here but With out the hadith , islam is not complete , Stoning of people who commit adultery can only be done where there is a sharia law and today speaking there is not one country that follow the sharia law , how it should be.


The problem with hadith is , its about I heard hebel saying hebel heard hebel saying that hebel heard the prophet saying , how sure can you be if its truly the words of our messenger , one thing is for sure The Quran there is no doubt about it no one can discuss about it all the hadiths where collected a few century’s after the prophet by imam bukhari The problem with hadith is they where collected way after the prophet passed away.

But allah knows the best.

[Hyperactive]

emp, that's why we have hadeeth science and there is cateria to clerify the chains of ahadeths,

mesha qof walba lagama ra'ayo. people used to travela months and years to get who naroted such hadeeth. and they used to disgard many ahadeths becouse the person's attatude and they couldnt take it from him.

[gedo_gurl]

lol you're kind of emotional.
if you're in debate people will through some thing your way.
you either ignore side comment and address the issue or be like them.

you cannot be this sensitive in this join.
knowing you're little older , blood presure ba kugu di'i.lol

I responded to comments which were not addressing anything I said, but were misquoting me...how am I supposed to react except to say "that is not what I said"...tell me where I was being emotional I cannot ignore the "ignorant side comments" because I believe that the people who made them sincerely believe that I was making the those comments, if I dont address them, then the entire debate falls around a misquote. And Im taking medication for my blood pressure, the doc tells me Im at the healthy range for a septuagenarian

Hyper, even with the last statement you just made...can you not see that there is room for human error? People are not perfect, the hadith were collected by sincere men, but at the end of the day if the Xikma behind a Hadith did not come from Allah who is perfect, we cannot assume it was correct just because the people in between the narrators were sincere.

[HELWAA]

And the servants of the Beneficent) are those who do not invoke another god with Allah, and who do not…commit fornication/adultery, for whoever does that shall receive the penalty; for him shall the torment be doubled on the day of resurrection, and therein he shall abide forever, disgraced, save him who repents and believes and does good works; those, Allah shall change their misdeeds into good works. And Allah is Forgiving, Compassionate) (Al-Furqan: 68-70).

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Whoever guarantees me that he will guard his chastity, I will guarantee him Paradise” (Al-Bukhari).

Abu Hurayrah reports that the Messenger of Allah said, “No one commits adultery while still remaining a believer, for faith is more precious unto Allah than such an evil act!” In another version, it is stated, “When a person commits adultery he casts away from his neck the bond that ties him to Islam; if, however, he repents, Allah will accept his repentance” (Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, An-Nisa’i and others).

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) further said: “[Under Islamic laws in an Islamic state] It is not lawful to shed the blood of a Muslim except for one of three sins: a married person committing fornication, and in just retribution for premeditated murder, and [for sin of treason involving] a person renouncing Islam, and thus leaving the community [to join the enemy camp in order to wage war against the faithful].” (Al-Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawud, Tirmidhi, and An-Nasa’i)


“There are three types of sinners that Allah will not speak to on the Day of Resurrection; neither He will purify them nor will He even look at them; rather they will suffer severe punishment: an older person who commits adultery, a king or ruler who lies to his subjects, and a poor person who acts arrogantly!” (Muslim and An-Nasa’i)

“There are seven categories of people who will be granted protection under the shade of Allah on the Day when there is no other shade;… among them is a young person who is seduced by a woman of great beauty and wealth and yet he rejected her advances saying ‘I fear Allah!’” (Al-Bukhari and Muslim)


Diintu muran ma gasho dadow....if you cant be faithful dont get married at all.