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Shabab good for the economy in the south?

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Kicking out WFP, less dependency on food aid making people more
productive self reliant obviously the peace and the sense of goverment Shabab brings is a factor.
Survey shows fewer Somalis need humanitarian aid


By By Frank Nyakairu (Reuters) (email the author)

Posted Thursday, February 11 2010 at 17:41

The number of Somalis needing aid has fallen by more than half a million because of increased food production, mostly in the south of the Horn of Africa state, a survey showed on Thursday.

In August last year 3.76 million people, about half the population, needed humanitarian aid. But a report by the U.N.'s Food Security and Nutrition Analysis Unit (FSNAU) said the number in need had now been reduced to 3.2 million.

"There has been a drop ... because there was above-normal rainfall in the agricultural areas and farmers took the opportunity of good rains," Grainne Moloney, the FSNAU's acting chief technical advisor, told Reuters.

Fighting has killed 21,000 Somalis since the start of 2007 and driven 1.5 million from their homes.

Amid the chaos, Western security agencies say the country has become a safe haven for militants, including foreign jihadists, who use it plot attacks in the region and beyond.

The FSNAU survey showed maize and sorghum production had boomed in southern Somalia -- which is mostly under the control of the hardline al Shabaab insurgent group.

"We expect the good harvest in the south to ease hyperinflation in central regions, though that has not been seen happening yet," Moloney added.

Populations in Hiran and other central Somali regions that enjoyed less rainfall remained in crisis, said Moloney.

The FSNAU was set up by the U.N.'s Food and Agriculture Organisation to provide aid agencies with reliable data from the lawless country.
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This is why applauded the Eritrean government when it banned Foreign Aid. Food aid kills self-reliance of the people and make it harder for farmer to grow anything since there is no profit. Look at Ethiopia, they have large areas of fertile land, yet they have millions starving. Why? No incentives

I am afraid if the TFG wins the battle, they will just call back WFP and Somalia will be back to stage one.
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I read once how Alshabab closed down the distribution offices of NGOs untill the local farmers sold their products in the market. This was before they ejected the entire group after disagreeing with them on some issues. A lot of organizations make millions of money on Somalia's behalf. These Organizations don't want stability in Somalia as their source of income will dry out if that happens. Alshabab's view on NGOs are surprisingly aligned with the views of most experts on how to eliminate food aid reliance in African countries. Give the locals the tools they need to be productive.
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GeoDesic wrote:I read once how Alshabab closed down the distribution offices of NGOs untill the local farmers sold their products in the market. This was before they ejected the entire group after disagreeing with them on some issues. A lot of organizations make millions of money on Somalia's behalf. These Organizations don't want stability in Somalia as their source of income will dry out if that happens. Alshabab's view on NGOs are surprisingly aligned with the views of most experts on how to eliminate food aid reliance in African countries. Give the locals the tools they need to be productive.


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Post by Talo alle udaa »

Don't believe these UN reports. Tomorrow they will come out with a report saying millions are on the brink.

I do believe the security in the south has provided somewhat a confidence to invest. But a lot of somalians are doubtful about the stablity of the south and are hesitant in investing anything in it.
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Aid is horrible for economies, all African economists agree on that. The only people who think Africa needs aid are white rock stars. The day Europeans are too weak to be doing these dirty schemes we'll see Africa rise steeply in prosperity.
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viewtopic.php?f=18&t=237893&p=2732096#p2732096

also shabelle reported that food prices are at an all time low. It is clueless idiots who try and belittle the acheivements of al shabab. IMO they have went above and beyond expectations.
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The number of Somalis needing aid has fallen by more than half a million because of increased food production, mostly in the south of the Horn of Africa state, a survey showed on Thursday.
Allahu Akbar

We had so many damn apologists when the news came out WFP was kicked out but now they know. Welfare dependency is systematic failure. Beeraha Luuq to Jamaame need to be tilled again and people weaned off of expired food from the U.N!
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Post by AhlulbaytSoldier »

So you decided to support this takfeeri deviant rebellious group based on one good deed?
Why is alcohol banned when Allah swt said in quran it has good and bad?
The same i say about khawarijism!
Their committed crimes are bigger than one good deed :arrow:
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Mashallah, where are those WFP sympathisers like May May :lol:
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Somalis have always wanted the food aid to be stopped.

In reality the food aide system is so corrupted that it gets bought and sold like a regular good in stores, I remember in Ogadenia the food bags clearly labled "Gift from the people of the United States of America. . . not to be sold or bought"

It's just an unnecessary handicap.
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Re: Shabab good for the economy in the south?

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HutuKing01 wrote:Why is alcohol banned when Allah swt said in quran it has good and bad?

Wallahi i cant believe this guy :lol: , so your saying they where wrong to ban khamr?!
Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Hurayrah said, "There were three stages to prohibiting Khamr (intoxicants). When the Messenger of Allah migrated to Al-Madinah, the people were consuming alcohol and gambling, so they asked the Messenger of Allah about these things, Allah revealed,

[يَسْـَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ قُلْ فِيهِمَآ إِثْمٌ كَبِيرٌ وَمَنَـفِعُ لِلنَّاسِ]

(They ask you about alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men.'')[2:219], until the end of the Ayah. The people said, `They (intoxicants and gambling) were not prohibited for us. Allah only said,

[فِيهِمَآ إِثْمٌ كَبِيرٌ وَمَنَـفِعُ لِلنَّاسِ]

(In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men.)' So they went on drinking Khamr until one day, one of the emigrants lead his companions in the Maghrib prayer and mixed up the Ayat in his recitation. Thereafter, Allah sent down a tougher statement,

[يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَقْرَبُواْ الصَّلَوةَ وَأَنتُمْ سُكَـرَى حَتَّى تَعْلَمُواْ مَا تَقُولُونَ]

(O you who believe! Approach not the Salah (the prayer) when you are in a drunken state until you know (the meaning of) what you utter.)[4:43] xThen, the people would drink before the time of the prayer so that they would attend the prayer while sober. A firmer Ayah was later revealed,

[يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْخَمْرُ وَالْمَيْسِرُ وَالاٌّنصَابُ وَالاٌّزْلاَمُ رِجْسٌ مِّنْ عَمَلِ الشَّيْطَـنِ فَاجْتَنِبُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ ]

(O you who believe! Khamr, Maysir, Ansab, and Azlam are an abomination of Shaytan's handiwork. So avoid that in order that you may be successful.)[5:90-91] So they said, `We abstained, O Lord!'
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Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah wrote:
HutuKing01 wrote:Why is alcohol banned when Allah swt said in quran it has good and bad?

Wallahi i cant believe this guy :lol: , so your saying they where wrong to ban khamr?!
Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Hurayrah said, "There were three stages to prohibiting Khamr (intoxicants). When the Messenger of Allah migrated to Al-Madinah, the people were consuming alcohol and gambling, so they asked the Messenger of Allah about these things, Allah revealed,

[يَسْـَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ قُلْ فِيهِمَآ إِثْمٌ كَبِيرٌ وَمَنَـفِعُ لِلنَّاسِ]

(They ask you about alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men.'')[2:219], until the end of the Ayah. The people said, `They (intoxicants and gambling) were not prohibited for us. Allah only said,

[فِيهِمَآ إِثْمٌ كَبِيرٌ وَمَنَـفِعُ لِلنَّاسِ]

(In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men.)' So they went on drinking Khamr until one day, one of the emigrants lead his companions in the Maghrib prayer and mixed up the Ayat in his recitation. Thereafter, Allah sent down a tougher statement,

[يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَقْرَبُواْ الصَّلَوةَ وَأَنتُمْ سُكَـرَى حَتَّى تَعْلَمُواْ مَا تَقُولُونَ]

(O you who believe! Approach not the Salah (the prayer) when you are in a drunken state until you know (the meaning of) what you utter.)[4:43] xThen, the people would drink before the time of the prayer so that they would attend the prayer while sober. A firmer Ayah was later revealed,

[يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْخَمْرُ وَالْمَيْسِرُ وَالاٌّنصَابُ وَالاٌّزْلاَمُ رِجْسٌ مِّنْ عَمَلِ الشَّيْطَـنِ فَاجْتَنِبُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ ]

(O you who believe! Khamr, Maysir, Ansab, and Azlam are an abomination of Shaytan's handiwork. So avoid that in order that you may be successful.)[5:90-91] So they said, `We abstained, O Lord!'
LOOL
You,my friend, are a moron
I meant: just like al-cohol,we cant make excuses for al-shabab :mrgreen:
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Enemy_Of_Mad_Mullah wrote:
HutuKing01 wrote:Why is alcohol banned when Allah swt said in quran it has good and bad?

Wallahi i cant believe this guy :lol: , so your saying they where wrong to ban khamr?!
Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Hurayrah said, "There were three stages to prohibiting Khamr (intoxicants). When the Messenger of Allah migrated to Al-Madinah, the people were consuming alcohol and gambling, so they asked the Messenger of Allah about these things, Allah revealed,

[يَسْـَلُونَكَ عَنِ الْخَمْرِ وَالْمَيْسِرِ قُلْ فِيهِمَآ إِثْمٌ كَبِيرٌ وَمَنَـفِعُ لِلنَّاسِ]

(They ask you about alcoholic drink and gambling. Say: "In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men.'')[2:219], until the end of the Ayah. The people said, `They (intoxicants and gambling) were not prohibited for us. Allah only said,

[فِيهِمَآ إِثْمٌ كَبِيرٌ وَمَنَـفِعُ لِلنَّاسِ]

(In them is a great sin, and (some) benefit for men.)' So they went on drinking Khamr until one day, one of the emigrants lead his companions in the Maghrib prayer and mixed up the Ayat in his recitation. Thereafter, Allah sent down a tougher statement,

[يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُواْ لاَ تَقْرَبُواْ الصَّلَوةَ وَأَنتُمْ سُكَـرَى حَتَّى تَعْلَمُواْ مَا تَقُولُونَ]

(O you who believe! Approach not the Salah (the prayer) when you are in a drunken state until you know (the meaning of) what you utter.)[4:43] xThen, the people would drink before the time of the prayer so that they would attend the prayer while sober. A firmer Ayah was later revealed,

[يَـأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِنَّمَا الْخَمْرُ وَالْمَيْسِرُ وَالاٌّنصَابُ وَالاٌّزْلاَمُ رِجْسٌ مِّنْ عَمَلِ الشَّيْطَـنِ فَاجْتَنِبُوهُ لَعَلَّكُمْ تُفْلِحُونَ ]

(O you who believe! Khamr, Maysir, Ansab, and Azlam are an abomination of Shaytan's handiwork. So avoid that in order that you may be successful.)[5:90-91] So they said, `We abstained, O Lord!'

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Al shabaab is going down .Addunweynihi bay isku soo jeediyeen , laga hadhi maayo .Aniga shaqsiyan haddey iga soo hor baxaan na waan dilaya ..laakin gudhu walba markaan waydiyo miyaad taagersantahay al shabaab ,maya bu I yidha .EOMM inu yahay Isaaq shiki baa inaga ga jira .Nin Isaaq ah oo tolkii ka baxa ,waxa u sabab ah baa jira.Aniga xaggeyga waxa weeye markiisi hore ayuu malaha wax kale aha wiilku :lol: Ciyaalkayagu K4 iyo shangooni iyo dhuudhu ama dhadhaa ma' kala yaqaanaan.
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