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U.S. Aiding Somalia in Its Plan to Retake Its Capital


By JEFFREY GETTLEMAN
Saturday, March 06, 2010



MOGADISHU, Somalia — The Somali government is preparing a major offensive to take back this capital block by crumbling block, and it takes just a listen to the low growl of a small surveillance plane circling in the night sky overhead to know who is surreptitiously backing that effort.

“It’s the Americans,” said Gen. Mohamed Gelle Kahiye, the new chief of Somalia’s military, who said he recently shared plans about coming military operations with American advisers. “They’re helping us.”

That American assistance could be crucial to the effort by Somalia’s government to finally reassert its control over the capital and bring a semblance of order to a country that has been steeped in anarchy for two decades. For the Americans, it is part of a counterterrorism strategy to deny a haven to Al Qaeda, which has found sanctuary for years in Somalia’s chaos and has helped turn this country into a magnet for jihadists from around the world.

The United States is increasingly concerned about the link between Somalia and Yemen, a growing extremist hot spot, with fighters going back and forth across the Red Sea in what one Somali watcher described as an “Al Qaeda exchange program.”

But it seems there has been a genuine shift in Somali policy, too, and the Americans have absorbed a Somali truth that eluded them for nearly 20 years: If Somalia is going to be stabilized, it is going to take Somalis.

“This is not an American offensive,” said Johnnie Carson, the assistant secretary of state for Africa. “The U.S. military is not on the ground in Somalia. Full stop.”

He added, “There are limits to outside engagement, and there has to be an enormous amount of local buy-in for this work.”

Most of the American military assistance to the Somali government has been focused on training, or has been channeled through African Union peacekeepers. But that could change. An American official in Washington, who said he was not authorized to speak publicly, predicted that American covert forces would get involved if the offensive, which could begin in a few weeks, dislodged Qaeda terrorists.

“What you’re likely to see is airstrikes and Special Ops moving in, hitting and getting out,” the official said.

Over the past several months, American advisers have helped supervise the training of the Somali forces to be deployed in the offensive, though American officials said that this was part of a continuing program to “build the capacity” of the Somali military, and that there has been no increase in military aid for the coming operations.

The Americans have provided covert training to Somali intelligence officers, logistical support to the peacekeepers, fuel for the maneuvers, surveillance information about insurgent positions and money for bullets and guns.

Washington is also using its heft as the biggest supplier of humanitarian aid to Somalia to encourage private aid agencies to move quickly into “newly liberated areas” and deliver services like food and medicine to the beleaguered Somali people in an effort to make the government more popular.

Whenever Somalia has hit a turning point in the past, the United States has been there, sometimes openly, sometimes not.

In 1992, shortly after the central government imploded, Marines stormed ashore to help feed starving Somalis. In early 2006, when an Islamist alliance was poised to sweep the country, the C.I.A. teamed up with warlords to stop them, and when that backfired, the American military covertly supported an Ethiopian invasion.

Last summer, when Somalia’s transitional government was nearly toppled by insurgents linked to Al Qaeda, the American government hastily shipped in millions of dollars of weapons.

Since then, the insurgents’ imperative to retake the capital, and eventually other parts of the country, has grown, American officials say, as Al Qaeda has even considered relocating some of its leaders from Pakistan to here.

American officials said several high-ranking Qaeda agents were still active in Somalia, including Fazul Abdullah Mohamed, one of the suspected bombers of the American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, who is now believed to be building bombs for the Islamist insurgent group known as Al Shabab.

The Somali government has tried limited offensives before and has failed, leaving much of the country in the hands of Al Shabab, who have chopped off heads, banned music and brought a harsh and alien version of Islam to Somalia.

But officials say that this offensive, or at least the preparations for it, feels different. First, the government has the advantage of numbers, about 6,000 to 10,000 freshly trained troops, compared with about 5,000 on the side of Al Shabab and its allies.

In the past six months, Somalia has farmed out young men to Djibouti, Ethiopia, Uganda, Kenya and even Sudan for military instruction and most are now back in the capital, waiting to fight. There are also about 5,000 Ugandan and Burundian peacekeepers, with 1,700 more on their way, and they are expected to play a vital role in backing up advancing Somali forces.

The government is also better armed and equipped. Parked in neat rows behind Villa Somalia, the president’s hilltop villa in the center of Mogadishu, are newly painted military trucks, tanks, armored personnel carriers and dozens of “technicals,” pickup trucks with their windshields sawed off and a cannon riveted on the back of each one. The government also recently bought 10 Chevrolet ambulances.

There seems to be a qualitative difference, too. Somalia’s forces are now led by General Gelle, a colonel in Somalia’s army decades ago who most recently was an assistant manager at a McDonald’s in Germany. He is known among Somali war veterans as one of the best Somali officers still alive.

Many Somalia observers are confident that the offensive will push back Al Shabab. The question is what will happen afterward. “To take you need force, to hold you need discipline,” said Ahmed Abdisalam, a deputy prime minister in the last Somali government. “What’s going to guarantee those troops don’t turn on the population?”

Or turn on themselves: many Somalis worry the troops could split along clan lines, which is what brought down Somalia’s government in 1991. One lingering criticism of Somalia’s president, Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed, is that he has been too holed up in Villa Somalia and has not engaged with local power brokers and played clan politics better.

Even though there is a new religious overlay to Somalia’s civil war, with a moderate Islamist government battling fundamentalist Islamist insurgents, clan connections still matter and could spell success — or disaster.

That said, the government did recently strike a political agreement with a powerful moderate Islamist militia, which may join the offensive from the inland regions of the country. There has also been talk of a militia made up of Somali refugees living in Kenya advancing from the Kenyan side.

Source: New York Times


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the alshabab have proven to be not stupid, they will retreat and disperse.
The TFG will declare a great victory, moqadishu will be liberated and there will be a big party.

when they move outside of moqadishu they will face effective guerilla warfare that increases in strenght till it moves to full scale engagements that the TFG will probably lose.

unless the americans can come up with something more interesting, like airsupport.
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hunting season for TFG&gorillaz is open!!
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gurey25 wrote:the alshabab have proven to be not stupid, they will retreat and disperse.
The TFG will declare a great victory, moqadishu will be liberated and there will be a big party.

when they move outside of moqadishu they will face effective guerilla warfare that increases in strenght till it moves to full scale engagements that the TFG will probably lose.

unless the americans can come up with something more interesting, like airsupport.
You don't know how major military operations work.First they will use Air support to soften up the target and than send in ground forces.Those Arab wanabes can try to retreat or disperse but the TFG will have the targeted area surrounded with (Ugandan :up: )troops.. :twisted: .It may take some time to find those rag heads but in time they will be captured and killed. :clap: Once Sharif can get rid of these Arab wanabes Somalia will move on to become the symbol of BLACK Power worldwide :som: :up: And I'll take vaction trips there to see my fellow black Somalis. :clap: :up:

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normally yes..

i expect airsupport to arrive halfway through the engagment.
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Once the shabaab losers disperse, we the people of somalia would hunt them down like rats, kill them wherever we see them.
No none in somalia supports al-shabaab or likes them, its game over for them :up:
We support the government of somalia, God bless :som:
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gurey25 wrote:normally yes..

i expect airsupport to arrive halfway through the engagment.
Air support has already arrived,first they will have to soften up the target before moving ground forces in. :twisted:
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shabaab have no chance once the TFG gets air support. They will then disperse and try to hide afterwards we will hunt them down one by one. The people shall also help and capture, identify and kill the shabaab rats that try to hide within the population
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galia2 wrote:shabaab have no chance once the TFG gets air support. They will then disperse and try to hide afterwards we will hunt them down one by one. The people shall also help and capture, identify and kill the shabaab rats that try to hide within the population
keep dreaming..
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The victory belong to the mujahedeen..allahu akbar


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all gaalo loving traitors will be brought to justice insha-allah
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abdisamad3 wrote:
galia2 wrote:shabaab have no chance once the TFG gets air support. They will then disperse and try to hide afterwards we will hunt them down one by one. The people shall also help and capture, identify and kill the shabaab rats that try to hide within the population
keep dreaming..
So are you a wanabe Arab also? :down: Those rag heads will die the worse way possible. :up: :D :clap:
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Somalia's top general :som: :up:
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Hey abdisamad3 the only folks that support al-shabaab vocally are Mjs, merehans and D&M iyo some somalilanders out of hate and spite for Hawiye to have a peaceful Mogadishu
Al-shabaab are weak, they tried their best to overthrow the popular weak government last year and failed.
Now the Al-shabaab has already used up much of its capital and political resources in this failed bid. Its becoming easily clear that the somali people do not want them and that the somali people are strongly against them.
Inshallah you would see once the shabaab warlords flee and hide, hawiye women and children tearing them apart and dragging them through the streets of Mogadishu
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abdisamad3 wrote:The victory belong to the mujahedeen..allahu akbar


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all gaalo loving traitors will be brought to justice insha-allah
It wont be close quarter hand to hand combat,this will be a full scale ground assault on these Arab wanabes. :up: I don't enjoy killing fellow black somalis but the ones who worship rag heads got to go.
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Uganda wrote:
So are you a wanabe Arab also? :down: Those rag heads will die the worse way possible. :up: :D :clap:
Hey Uganda, abdisamad3 is a Mj, ignore him. What matters is the hearts and minds of hawiye. They are the majority in Mogadishu and it is they who will most likely drag shabaab warlords along the streets of Mogadishu.
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Hawiye leadership that would crush shabaab
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