Somali Manifesto signed in 1990!

[abdalla11]

Cinque Mtume,
I didn't mean to leave out MJ but one of the very few things Afweyne did right was signing peace deal with Majeerteen and giving former SSDF officers CAFIS.You may be too young to understand this but when OGs left the goverment Siyad Barre tried very hard to bring MJ in. That is why all the major posts in the arm were given to MJs officerss after the departure of the OGs. In late 1980s near the collapse of the goverment, ironically MJs were aligned with the MR. Ask your elders....They might even saved MSB.

True to that, we became good friends afterwards. Lakiin after isaaqs the MJ were punished the hardest. MSB didn't do jack to OG's he only outsmarted them..

[sadeboi]

This topic was amazing walle.

Twisted rants and paidmonk replies:

Hawiye actions in Xamar took away any bad light shed on Siad Barre, in fact they made his legacy look better than his supporters could have tried. Hawiye didn't want to overthrow Siad Barre, they simply wanted to make sure that there would be no Somalia for him or any rivals to rule. Its really hard to refute that, that's why many like AW252 skip that part and go straight to the "dictator" talk.

Twisted rants more about Siyaad Bare and totally forgets to read GSNM post and agrees with that Muqdisho was destroyed by USC, and that is aligned with Paidmonks remarks:

Somalia was destroyed by Siad Barre and Xamer was destroyed by Hawiyes.

Abdalla comes in an reinforces what has been said to Twisted:

Only on Snet you find people pleading on behalf of USC. Wallaahi nobody would ever make excuses for them in real life without looking back and check who's behind them, anonymity makes people brave.

Twisted tries to reword stuff to gain support but Abdalla reiterates the barbarianism of USC:

No-one is apologizing or defending the USC. My main argument is that the ones that worship the late dictator shouldn't lecture anyone about human rights and protecting the innocents. The USC committed alot of heinous crimes and the people responsible should be prosecuted. BUT they were a reaction and a product of the MSB regime.

To insinuate that they are les evil than the MSB government is also a defence towards USC. There's no excuse for what they did how bad MSB may be, there's no excuse

Next Guhad comes in and gives the final blow on Twisted-logics argument

Yes I agree with Paidmonk that Siyad Barre was a saint compared to how Hutus buried an entire nation. And remember that it was always weak clans like the Afar-Qooble, Abgaal, Dudububle and Xawaadle who were killing the civilians. HG was doing the real fighting for them.

[Shirib]

Somalia deserves Shabaab

[Siciid85]

- - . destroyed by rebels & tribalists

so your uncle siad was not tribalist nor a dictator? the irony!

[The_Emperior5]

Somalia deserves Shabaab

Godane keep cutting hands

[Voltage]

Xamer was destroyed by Hawiyes.

Exactly.

Why were you arguing with Murax, Paidmonk, and practically everyone else then? Do Paidmonk, Guhad, and GSNM love Siad Barre more than you? I don't know, maybe they do in your eyes but not to me.

The consensus in this topic even from anti-Barre folks across all clans is that you received a capital city and the potential to rule the nation on a silver platter, but as that excerpt from that book said..this was not Caydiid's objective. It was more about destroying the beautiful capital city so much that the Darod bogeyman would forget about and afterward duking it out on the waste with your own Abgaal...destroying what was left of the waste.

Why do people debate with you about this when even you know the reality?

[Twisted_Logic]

Only on Snet you find people pleading on behalf of USC. Wallaahi nobody would ever make excuses for them in real life without looking back and check who's behind them, anonymity makes people brave.

No-one is apologizing or defending the USC. My main argument is that the ones that worship the late dictator shouldn't lecture anyone about human rights and protecting the innocents. The USC committed alot of heinous crimes and the people responsible should be prosecuted. BUT they were a reaction and a product of the MSB regime.

To insinuate that they are les evil than the MSB government is also a defence towards USC. There's no excuse for what they did how bad MSB may be, there's no excuse

That is not true. The MSB regime was the most brutal system our nation has ever known. The sheer death and destruction constructed by it far surpasses anything that has happened before and after.

[Twisted_Logic]

This topic was amazing walle.

Twisted rants and paidmonk replies:

Hawiye actions in Xamar took away any bad light shed on Siad Barre, in fact they made his legacy look better than his supporters could have tried. Hawiye didn't want to overthrow Siad Barre, they simply wanted to make sure that there would be no Somalia for him or any rivals to rule. Its really hard to refute that, that's why many like AW252 skip that part and go straight to the "dictator" talk.

Twisted rants more about Siyaad Bare and totally forgets to read GSNM post and agrees with that Muqdisho was destroyed by USC, and that is aligned with Paidmonks remarks:

Somalia was destroyed by Siad Barre and Xamer was destroyed by Hawiyes.

Abdalla comes in an reinforces what has been said to Twisted:

Only on Snet you find people pleading on behalf of USC. Wallaahi nobody would ever make excuses for them in real life without looking back and check who's behind them, anonymity makes people brave.

Twisted tries to reword stuff to gain support but Abdalla reiterates the barbarianism of USC:

No-one is apologizing or defending the USC. My main argument is that the ones that worship the late dictator shouldn't lecture anyone about human rights and protecting the innocents. The USC committed alot of heinous crimes and the people responsible should be prosecuted. BUT they were a reaction and a product of the MSB regime.

To insinuate that they are les evil than the MSB government is also a defence towards USC. There's no excuse for what they did how bad MSB may be, there's no excuse

Next Guhad comes in and gives the final blow on Twisted-logics argument

Yes I agree with Paidmonk that Siyad Barre was a saint compared to how Hutus buried an entire nation. And remember that it was always weak clans like the Afar-Qooble, Abgaal, Dudububle and Xawaadle who were killing the civilians. HG was doing the real fighting for them.

Of course, all of them are Darod so obviously they would have negative ideas about the USC. Why is this any surprising? My whole point has been that the USC committed alot of heinous acts but they were simply a reaction to the division, injustice, massacres, displacements created by the regime. To blame the USC while rooting for the late dictator and his regime is simply hilarious and is silly distortion by the regime apologists.

[Twisted_Logic]

Xamer was destroyed by Hawiyes.

Exactly.

Why were you arguing with Murax, Paidmonk, and practically everyone else then? Do Paidmonk, Guhad, and GSNM love Siad Barre more than you? I don't know, maybe they do in your eyes but not to me.

The consensus in this topic even from anti-Barre folks across all clans is that you received a capital city and the potential to rule the nation on a silver platter, but as that excerpt from that book said..this was not Caydiid's objective. It was more about destroying the beautiful capital city so much that the Darod bogeyman would forget about and afterward duking it out on the waste with your own Abgaal...destroying what was left of the waste.

Why do people debate with you about this when even you know the reality?

@ all clans. Teenage Darod members of SNET don't constitute "All Clans" Desperate as always

About GSNM comment, sarcasm, buddy. You might want to check it out.

Mogadishu was destroyed AFTER the entire northern regions have been destroyed. The dictator tried to make his last stand in Mogadishu but was abandoned by his own people and left the city humiliated. Another attempt to take it back by force, also failed and as a result him and his regime were exiled for good

If you want to talk about destroyed cities, let's talk about Hargaisa which was carpet-bombed to the ground

[Murax]

Gudhad is more Pro Hawiye then the biggest Hawiye, and When He makes that statement that is a telling sign.

Also, You are ignorant if You think that all "Daroods" are in love with MSB AUN infact some of them were His biggest critics and opponents, but nobody can ignore reality and history.

[union]

Hawiye actions in Xamar took away any bad light shed on Siad Barre, in fact they made his legacy look better than his supporters could have tried. Hawiye didn't want to overthrow Siad Barre, they simply wanted to make sure that there would be no Somalia for him or any rivals to rule. Its really hard to refute that, that's why many like AW252 skip that part and go straight to the "dictator" talk.

Bull-shit.

Somalia reaped the fruits the dictator sowed.

The dictator regime has left a deep mark in the Somali peoples' psyche and it would take generations to erase.

Aideed, Abdullahi Yusuf and Hassan Dahir Aweys were all Frankensteins the dictator created.

And your point about " there would no Somalia" is bogus. The people of Somaliland and Puntland will spit in your face for uttering such none-sense and hopefully soon, the people of Mogadishu will.

I'm pretty sure Somaliland has declared it is no longer apart of Somalia, and Puntland is autonomous and will probably declare independence soon itself. Mogadishu is such a godforsaken shit-hole that it will never see any semblance of law and order any time soon. So, please, cut your bullshit.

[SaeedJ]

Im confused with all this "Hutu" crap. If Hawiye are "Hutus" then what the hell does that make the rest of Somalis? I mean we are ALL one tribe. Does that mean were all Bantu god forbid. How on earth is someone going to take your words seriously when you are alreay calling them Hutu? Ironic cause im freakin Hawiye and by god I look nothing like a bloody Jareer. Stop being childish people.

[AbdiWahab252]

Gudhad is more Pro Hawiye then the biggest Hawiye, and When He makes that statement that is a telling sign.

Also, You are ignorant if You think that all "Daroods" are in love with MSB AUN infact some of them were His biggest critics and opponents, but nobody can ignore reality and history.

The sheer hypocrisy

[Cirwaaq]

Somalinet is an institution that breeds hypocrisy. The future warlords are being created here. The smartest thing that Hawiye can do for themselves and their future is to secure for themselves a HawiyeLand.

Then like the Clever MJ begin negotiations on Somaliweyn.

It is about time hawiye began to abuse and use the Somaliweyn like a vehicle to gain economically and politically.

[SaeedJ]

Somalinet is an institution that breeds hypocrisy. The future warlords are being created here. The smartest thing that Hawiye can do for themselves and their future is to secure for themselves a HawiyeLand.

Then like the Clever MJ begin negotiations on Somaliweyn.

It is about time hawiye began to abuse and use the Somaliweyn like a vehicle to gain economically and politically.

Wallahi your right brother. Somalinet is meant to help and connect all Somalis but instead it helps in breeding clan animosoty. Im not stupid enough to listen to what some of the haters are saying but just imagine a young person who stumbles across all this hate on his clan....what do you think it will do to him? Anyways we already have enough lands, Somaliland, Puntland, Balaayolaand....the last thing we need is another clan motivated regional institution. Im Hawiye and to tell you the truth another "land" will kill any dreams of unity forever. What we need is the disentegration of all "lands" not the creation of more.