Thousands of Somali Youth in Minnesota prisons

[udun]

According to Somali sources who are familiar with the State of Minnesota's prison system, there are thousands and some even put the number to ten thousand Somalis in this state's penitentiaries and many of these are innocenet kids who are as young as 14. Ironically, Somali parents don't even go after these kids and follow up how they are doing in the prisons. Many of them did not have proper respresentation when their cases were in the courts. If from what I heard is correct, the Chief of Police even talked about it and was shaking his head when he was explaining the situation of these kids and how there is no one helping them out when their cases are in the courts or when they are in the prison.

I am just wondering if we Somalis in the west can't help our youth, how can we positively contribute to Somalia? We spend so much time in clannish discussions and maxaa la yiri in Somalia and don't even look at our backyard and see how our children are doing in these western societies. Folks, believe it or not this is a tragedy and we need to do something about it. I think for some it may be too late but doing something for the remainder of these children is not too late. Many of the moms of these children are single moms without no husband nor ex-husband support. Many of these moms don't have the language proficiency and don't know how to dive thru the system to initially be able to defend their children and don't know what their rights are and what can be done to help these children when they are in the prison system.

Please discuss what can be done and keep any clannish rants out of this topic.

[S-D-M]

Most of these kids are school drop outs and drug abusers. I see the prison system as waste of the tax payer’s money. Why don't they deport these fake thugs back to Somali and see how they survive there.

[udun]

How can a 14 year-old be a drug abuser and is it his fault if he grew up in a ghetto where drugs are readily available and where the schools are failing?

Deporting them back to Somalia would have been very good for these children but many of them are American citizens so they can't be deported.

[S-D-M]

How can a 14 year-old be a drug abuser and is it his fault if he grew up in a ghetto where drugs are readily available and where the schools are failing?

Well that is what happens to kids, when their parents care more about cayrta than them. Habartii dhashay cuniga talefoonka beey kala ladaa, odaygina halkaanbu maqayada fadhiya uu leyahay "hebel baa jaga lasiyey, reer hebel baa reer hebel gudulay oo shan halaaad kaqaday"

[Dhaga Bacayl]

Udun,

I thought the Somalis in MN and Ohio are well behaved noble citizens. Not to mention Successful in all aspects. What happen?

This sounds pure dysfunctional from the core to me. That is what happens when you raise your kids in hostile environment aka the PROJECTS. They’re the product of their environment

[IRONm@N]

not 10,000 but something along 1000-3000.
Somali parents disown if their kids are caught with drugs or gangs, they think jail is better for them.
also the parents don't know their rights and cutting through all the red tape.
most of these kids were raised by a single mother, and she doesn't have the time and resource to follow them up.
this single mom in minneapolis told me her kid is sentence to 20yrs in jail, because of domestic voilence, he paralyzed a girl, and she doesn't care him anymore, she thinks he is too much trouble, I ask her whether she visits and she says, no I never visit him. I told her to visit him at least, and she agreed.

[hanqadh]

Not 10,000 thats a gross over-exxageration I think, thats not true?

Britains Somali prison population is huge I hear so its a problem within the Somali Communities and the disfunction that comes with encountering a new Culture/Country coupled with the division among Somalis already which has its roots in the Civil War in Somalia.

[udun]

Udun,

I thought the Somalis in MN and Ohio are well behaved noble citizens. Not to mention Successful in all aspects. What happen?

This sounds pure dysfunctional from the core to me. That is what happens when you raise your kids in hostile environment aka the PROJECTS. They’re the product of their environment

Toronto is having similar problem. I think the system may be mor lenient in Canada but ciyaalka Soomaalida ee Torontoba jeelasha iyo youth detention certerkaba waa ka buuxaan.

I agree your second point. The question is what can be done about it? I started this topic for two reasons:

1. To get awareness on this tragic dilema in our midst.
2. What can be done about it?

[udun]

Not 10,000 thats a gross over-exxageration I think, thats not true?

Well, thousands for sure and I hav heard the 10,000 number also. The question is what can be done about it?

Britains Somali prison population is huge I hear so its a problem within the Somali Communities and the disfunction that comes with encountering a new Culture/Country coupled with the division among Somalis already which has its roots in the Civil War in Somalia.

I have heard horror stories in England with respect to the Somali Youth in the prisons and the devastating abuse that is taking place. The challenging question for all Somalis is what are we going to about these problems facing our youth?

[Basra-]

Well, what do u expect--i blame it on the parents. Single mother or not-- if u r tuff like a black dhooro---u will guard and discipline your kids to the outmost care. If u r a weak parent and just pathetic-- u will make pathetic kids. Let them be in prisons, like their adoon cousins--they deserve it. Since they r cuter and less manly than the fellow prisoners adoons, they will make good prison wives. I love it.

[udun]

Well, what do u expect--i blame it on the parents. Single mother or not-- if u r tuff like a black dhooro---u will guard and discipline your kids to the outmost care. If u r a weak parent and just pathetic-- u will make pathetic kids. Let them be in prisons, like their adoon cousins--they deserve it. Since they r cuter and less manly than the fellow prisoners adoons, they will make good prison wives. I love it.

Basra, that is so gross. You want the worst for these kids? That is so evil.

[Basra-]

Udun life is "NOT" fair walaal.

[Dhaga Bacayl]

Udun,

I thought the Somalis in MN and Ohio are well behaved noble citizens. Not to mention Successful in all aspects. What happen?

This sounds pure dysfunctional from the core to me. That is what happens when you raise your kids in hostile environment aka the PROJECTS. They’re the product of their environment

Toronto is having similar problem. I think the system may be mor lenient in Canada but ciyaalka Soomaalida ee Torontoba jeelasha iyo youth detention certerkaba waa ka buuxaan.

I agree your second point. The question is what can be done about it? I started this topic for two reasons:

1. To get awareness on this tragic dilema in our midst.
2. What can be done about it?

Whuz up with your obsession with Toronto?


Waaryaa, this is not a laughing matter. It’s epidemic for all Somalis out here in the west.

[udun]

Udun life is "NOT" fair walaal.

I don't know it may not have been fair to you but on my end Alxamdulillaah it was fair to me. The worst is that you want the worst for these kids who already in the wrong place and they can do nothing about it. Do you happen to live in Minnesota by any chace?

[Niya]

and many of these are innocenet kids who are as young as 14

How do you know that they are innocent? If they are minors, shouldn't they be in juvenile detention rather than a penitentary?

Did not any of the 10,000 Somali orgnaizations in Minnesota take on to address this issue?