Who’s more pathetic? Oromos or Somalis

[The_Patriot]

Patriot,

Dude these were Oromos not Ethiopians I met, welibo wadaad, fresh from Ethiopia ones who were defending meles zenawi being in Somalia. Oromos are the most loyal "Ethiopians" You'll find, yet they never tasted power. They're slaves. As for Somalis, especially in the South the most densely populated, like I said before most of them have not laid down for xabashi yet, (I'm talking about shacab not qabqableyaal)

oromos are just like somalis and among them there are bad apples so dont judge all of them in respect to the bad apples.

[grandpakhalif]

Absolutely the Somalis.

If the Oromos were blessed with a huge abundance of land and resources and the opportunity to govern themselves like thd Somalis you have the potential of a Golden country.

The Oromos and Somalis are on the opposite sides of the spectrum. Oromos although timid and easily brainwashed are a peaceful people who readily embrace their leaders and remain loyal to them. However a typical Somali is the extreme opposite, he remains to proud and will not readily embrace nationalism, he becomes distrustful if his kinsmen are not in power, this eventually evolves into a rebellious chaos that rips the country apart. Somalis need to learn to look past his arrogance and remain loyal.

In my opinion the Somalis are more pathetic because they refuse to rule themselves.

[bareento]

In Liban ditrict its about tribal fight. Its between Borana clans, Degodia, Garree and some other exotic tribes;
These tribes fight with shifting alliance since they overthrow the Borana hegemony around 150 years ago.
Often times u see Somali clans allying with Oromos against another Somali clan and vice versa;
I even heard that at times the guys invent a brand new genealogy to back up the alliance only to change and creat a new one
as the alliance changes (the hillarious story of two brothers Degodia Ali and Borana Ali is an example )


In Ogadenia, there r for sure, Oromos among ethio soldiers, but the dirty job is done by Liyuu Polis who r ethnic somalis.

There much exaggeration about Oromo loyalty to Ethiopia.
I wish all and every Oromo say yes to Ethiopianism and be 100 percent loyal to Ethiopia; but I know my countrymen!
alas they wont and in long term they will ruin that country.

B.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Somalis(somalilanders and jabutis not included. They are civilized) are by far pathetic. 22 years of war. Thats a sign of failure.
I dont think this would happen to oromos if somalia belonged to them!

[TheLoFather]

without a shadow of a doubt Somalis are the more pathetic, and if i wasnt one i would go further than that and say Somalis are the most pathetic beigns on the face of the earth. simlpy because of what they have done to their country and for the fact that they can not govern themselves!

[Aliyyi Oromada]

On the surface it's comparing apples and oranges. But overall there is one thing in common between the two groups.

Oromos;

What should be understood is that there is no common Oromo experience. What an Oromo thinks about the problems and solutions in Ethiopia depends on which Oromo you're talking to. A Tuulama Oromo from Shawa is historically the foundation of the Ethiopian state. They are the traditional vangaurd and feudal landlords of the Ethiopian elite. Even today Tuulama Oromos like Burtukaan Midhaksaa are leading the revolt in Addis Ababa, to restore Ethiopia to "its past glories". Its not a matter of them being slaves, it is just who they are culturally, religiously, historically.

Wallagga Oromos entered into the Ethiopian union willingly when they submitted to Ras Goobana, leader of the Shawa Oromo. In the century which followed they gained many benefits, most notably access to schools & education. Also militarily, Wallagga Oromos are known for making up most of the pilots in the Ethiopian airforce. Atleast this was the case prior to 1991 (today the airforce is relatively weak and understaffed). So it was these guys who bombed the crap out of Eritrea and Tigray in the 80's.

Anyways with this history, these people cannot and do not have hate for the habasha. They may see them as natural opponents or polticial rivals, but thats it. Their concern has been primarily to have a fairer share in gov't. Waging war and desroying the state is not something they see as in their interest. Things they have in common with the habasha is that they are christian, they dislike Islam and see it as a threat. They see Arabs, Somalis and Muslims in the same way the habasha do.

On the other hand, there are the Muslims Oromos in Harargee (AQ, Ituu, Anniya), Wallo, Arsi (inhabiting Baale & Diida'aa) who entered Ethiopia via rivers of blood. Who since then have continued to fight at any opportunity. Who see the habasha as historical enemies and foreign occupiers etc. The problem is in the name of Oromo nationalism, they abandoned their religion, ignored any of the historical differences, took non-muslims as leaders and ideological fathers and diluted their cause; leaving it in a state of confusion and internal disarray.


Somalis;

Have the typical experience with european colonial powers. While the Europeans occupied Somalia they also trained and raised a generation of Somalis (in their schools & military academies) who walk like them, talk like them, dress like them, and think like them. So although the europeans left, they left behind this group of elite to rule in their image. So like new students in a chemistry lab, these elite experimented with different ways to apply european ideas and laws in Somalia. From democracy, to socialism, marxist-lenninism, nationalism etc. The further they strayed from what made brotherhood between the clans, Islam, the more they severed the brotherhood between the clans.

It's easy to see the only groups which operate free of clan hatred and suspicion in Somalia are the Islamic groups.

[qardasay]

Orthodox Christianity has always been anti-Islam

[The_Patriot]

On the surface it's comparing apples and oranges. But overall there is one thing in common between the two groups.

Oromos;

What should be understood is that there is no common Oromo experience. What an Oromo thinks about the problems and solutions in Ethiopia depends on which Oromo you're talking to. A Tuulama Oromo from Shawa is historically the foundation of the Ethiopian state. They are the traditional vangaurd and feudal landlords of the Ethiopian elite. Even today Tuulama Oromos like Burtukaan Midhaksaa are leading the revolt in Addis Ababa, to restore Ethiopia to "its past glories". Its not a matter of them being slaves, it is just who they are culturally, religiously, historically.

Wallagga Oromos entered into the Ethiopian union willingly when they submitted to Ras Goobana, leader of the Shawa Oromo. In the century which followed they gained many benefits, most notably access to schools & education. Also militarily, Wallagga Oromos are known for making up most of the pilots in the Ethiopian airforce. Atleast this was the case prior to 1991 (today the airforce is relatively weak and understaffed). So it was these guys who bombed the crap out of Eritrea and Tigray in the 80's.

Anyways with this history, these people cannot and do not have hate for the habasha. They may see them as natural opponents or polticial rivals, but thats it. Their concern has been primarily to have a fairer share in gov't. Waging war and desroying the state is not something they see as in their interest. Things they have in common with the habasha is that they are christian, they dislike Islam and see it as a threat. They see Arabs, Somalis and Muslims in the same way the habasha do.

On the other hand, there are the Muslims Oromos in Harargee (AQ, Ituu, Anniya), Wallo, Arsi (inhabiting Baale & Diida'aa) who entered Ethiopia via rivers of blood. Who since then have continued to fight at any opportunity. Who see the habasha as historical enemies and foreign occupiers etc. The problem is in the name of Oromo nationalism, they abandoned their religion, ignored any of the historical differences, took non-muslims as leaders and ideological fathers and diluted their cause; leaving it in a state of confusion and internal disarray.


Somalis;

Have the typical experience with european colonial powers. While the Europeans occupied Somalia they also trained and raised a generation of Somalis (in their schools & military academies) who walk like them, talk like them, dress like them, and think like them. So although the europeans left, they left behind this group of elite to rule in their image. So like new students in a chemistry lab, these elite experimented with different ways to apply european ideas and laws in Somalia. From democracy, to socialism, marxist-lenninism, nationalism etc. The further they strayed from what made brotherhood between the clans, Islam, the more they severed the brotherhood between the clans.

It's easy to see the only groups which operate free of clan hatred and suspicion in Somalia are the Islamic groups.

good analysis

[Enlightened~Sista]

Who cares and why are you obsessed with all these Ethiopian current affairs?

[gurey25]

We should care becuase we are all indirectly ruled by Ethiopia, or come under its influence
except for ah al shabaab.

[TheLoFather]

It's easy to see the only groups which operate free of clan hatred and suspicion in Somalia are the Islamic groups.

[Enlightened~Sista]

Ethiopian Politics or it's Ethnic groups 'patheticness' or whatever should be none of our business.

[bareento]

On the surface it's comparing apples and oranges. But overall there is one thing in common between the two groups.

Oromos;

What should be understood is that there is no common Oromo experience. What an Oromo thinks about the problems and solutions in Ethiopia depends on which Oromo you're talking to. A Tuulama Oromo from Shawa is historically the foundation of the Ethiopian state. They are the traditional vangaurd and feudal landlords of the Ethiopian elite. Even today Tuulama Oromos like Burtukaan Midhaksaa are leading the revolt in Addis Ababa, to restore Ethiopia to "its past glories". Its not a matter of them being slaves, it is just who they are culturally, religiously, historically.

Wallagga Oromos entered into the Ethiopian union willingly when they submitted to Ras Goobana, leader of the Shawa Oromo. In the century which followed they gained many benefits, most notably access to schools & education. Also militarily, Wallagga Oromos are known for making up most of the pilots in the Ethiopian airforce. Atleast this was the case prior to 1991 (today the airforce is relatively weak and understaffed). So it was these guys who bombed the crap out of Eritrea and Tigray in the 80's.

Anyways with this history, these people cannot and do not have hate for the habasha. They may see them as natural opponents or polticial rivals, but thats it. Their concern has been primarily to have a fairer share in gov't. Waging war and desroying the state is not something they see as in their interest. Things they have in common with the habasha is that they are christian, they dislike Islam and see it as a threat. They see Arabs, Somalis and Muslims in the same way the habasha do.

On the other hand, there are the Muslims Oromos in Harargee (AQ, Ituu, Anniya), Wallo, Arsi (inhabiting Baale & Diida'aa) who entered Ethiopia via rivers of blood. Who since then have continued to fight at any opportunity. Who see the habasha as historical enemies and foreign occupiers etc. The problem is in the name of Oromo nationalism, they abandoned their religion, ignored any of the historical differences, took non-muslims as leaders and ideological fathers and diluted their cause; leaving it in a state of confusion and internal disarray.


Somalis;

Have the typical experience with european colonial powers. While the Europeans occupied Somalia they also trained and raised a generation of Somalis (in their schools & military academies) who walk like them, talk like them, dress like them, and think like them. So although the europeans left, they left behind this group of elite to rule in their image. So like new students in a chemistry lab, these elite experimented with different ways to apply european ideas and laws in Somalia. From democracy, to socialism, marxist-lenninism, nationalism etc. The further they strayed from what made brotherhood between the clans, Islam, the more they severed the brotherhood between the clans.

It's easy to see the only groups which operate free of clan hatred and suspicion in Somalia are the Islamic groups.

Fine analysis, on oromo case
Aliyyi, we cant undo the past, we can only undo the injustice created by the defeat.
Maccaa and Tulama joining Oromo struggle (or to be more precise rejecting Abyssianism) is itself a positive point, as it weakens
the Abyssinians. if not, Amhara joined by Maccaa-Tulama , helped by the west will crush everything in the horn.

As for Somalis, the European factor in their current situation is exaggerated; one should probably look in their
tribal laws: it was solely based on balance of power and blood relation. Probably the kind of survival economy they had induced such laws;

Political Islam as solution for Somalis or Muslim Oromos is laughable!
Somalis will most probably use it to score against their neighbours...
As for us, Muslim Oromos, political Islam asks us to leave our identity for the
one of Arabs :its the last thing left that gives us a semblance of dignity.
Personnaly, my heart vibrates much more to the History of foundation of Oda Bultum than the history of a crazy
Arab Sheekh selling Afran Qalloo kids, or subjugating the great Hindu people of India.

B.

[shiniile9]

My beleif, theres Oromos both side of the border and if Either of them got control over a country.Well,at least we see Somali Oromos the disaster they made the last 20 years. It is no brainer to imagine the impact of other side where they are majority. Let the bakery bake the bread.

[Hyperactive]

i would say somalis by far, specially somali deena in ogaden.
never seen human like that!!