So for the first time in my life I have met a real Christian

[Basra-]

" and is basically a Muslim but has not accepted the prophet hood of Muhammed"



Is Voltage a closeted athiest?

[udun]

" and is basically a Muslim but has not accepted the prophet hood of Muhammed"



Is Voltage a closeted athiest?

[udun]

I would leave the judgment up to God.

Good suggestion but only for caasi Muslims not for someone who doesn't believe in the Prophethood of Muxammed (PBUH), Allah's last and final messenger.

no more messengers after muhammed?

in my world there have been plenty of messengers after muhammed...

how could god's message end with one man?
that sounds as crazy as the christians saying god's message ended with jesus christ...

god's message is always being conveyed and can not be stopped by any one man...

Why do moderators allow people like Yardie in this forum? I have no stomach to read this kufr's comments and I want him out of the forum. COULD SOMEONE PLEASE REMOVE THIS GAAL SAANCADAALE OUT OF THIS FORUM? We want this GAALE SAANCADAALE gone ASAP.

[Voltage]

Why would Allah s.w.t punish someone who believes in HIM alone? and fasts and prays and conducts himself well on earth.Don't be so quick to condemn people to eternal fire, leave the judging to Allah.

Concur.

Because they deny Muhammad Rasulu'Allah saw.

U can't just say I believe in God but Muhammad, I don't believe in that guy or his message. It is a fundamental belief, and if u don't believe it, u are gaal, and u suffer their faith.

As far as I know, most Jews believe in one God alone, but they are gaalo, and so is this Christian, and are therefore unbelievers.

Unless ofcourse I'm missing something here, Voltage and ES and u guys are saying one can believe in Allah and not Muhammad saw, and still be Muslim

p.s. only Muslims go to heaven

War Sheikh ma tihide naga aamu and don't talk about theology. I admit I can't say I myself am qualified but for you to make ignorant and general statements on theology is dangerous for you. God chooses who goes to heaven and because you are Muslim does not mean you go nor can you assume anything reverse. Besides Muslim is a person that submits their will to the will of God and in my opinion that individual has submitted themselves to God. Besides ever heard of the prostitute who went to heaven for giving a dying dog water or the man who killed 100 people but was told to migrate away and if he migrated to a specific land he would be given heaven and he died half-way and God gave him mercy?

Don't talk about theology man when I damn well know you aint no Sheikh.

[FAH1223]

There were Muslims before Prophet Muhammad SAW. Just like in the Qur'an we read about the Prophets before and how they submitted and how their people also submitted.

[Voltage]

There were Muslims before Prophet Muhammad SAW. Just like in the Qur'an we read about the Prophets before and how they submitted and how their people also submitted.

Thank you. Shirib baaban la yaabay. All the people prior who took the single renewed message of Allah starting from Adan are Muslims.

[GeoDesic]

Voltage, All the jews and christians who had the pure faith of their respective prophets(Moses and Jesus pbuthem) immidiately followed prophet Mohamed. They declared their faith as Islam once they met the prophet and saw his message. They were Muslims before and they did what a muslim does: ---> Follow the messenger Allah sent after their messengers per their books. Prophet Moses advised the jews to follow Jesus and prophet Jesus adivsed his followers to follow Mohamed. Every messenger foretold the one coming after him, so the guy you met has to have clear verse in his bible that tells him to follow Mohamed supposing his bible version is not corrupted as well. Following prophet Mohamed and accepting him as the last messenger of God is part of belief in God after Towxid, you can't separate the two. Your friend may have submitted himself to God, but his faith teaches, in its uncorrupted original book, that when Mohamed comes, all must follow.


Even muslims are more than once asked to follow the prophet of God and Obey him. These are muslims who already declared their allegience to Allah through prophet mohamed, yet, they are asked to obey and never disobey prophet mohamed. It is Islam as per Quran today and NOTHING else. Allah clearly states no religon other than Islam will be accepted. Also Allah clearly tells muslims not to die except in state of Islam.



The only people who have justification are those who never heard the message, and as someone wrote in one of the previou posts, Allah has plans for them in the day of judgement. Your friend needs to accept islam before it is too late and it is your duty to convey that message to him. Waa haddaad adiga aaminsan tahay in Islaam diin aan ahayn la aqbali doonin, haddii kale, waxaaga iska qaso nin yohow.

[GeoDesic]

Voltage, BELOW is what true believers of Jesus's pure message did when they heard prophet mohamed read the Quran: Declare Shahada.




Surah Al-Ma'idahAyah [83] And when they (who call themselves Christians) listen to what has been sent down to the Messenger (Muhammad ), you see their eyes overflowing with tears because of the truth they have recognised. They say: "Our Lord! We believe; so write us down among the witnesses.





Give your friend a copy of the Quran. See what he does. Currently, he is no muslim, but he might be if he follows the Quran and declared Shahada in both parts of it. Stop writing nonsense

[TATI]

Why would Allah s.w.t punish someone who believes in HIM alone? and fasts and prays and conducts himself well on earth.Don't be so quick to condemn people to eternal fire, leave the judging to Allah.

Concur.

Because they deny Muhammad Rasulu'Allah saw.

U can't just say I believe in God but Muhammad, I don't believe in that guy or his message. It is a fundamental belief, and if u don't believe it, u are gaal, and u suffer their faith.

As far as I know, most Jews believe in one God alone, but they are gaalo, and so is this Christian, and are therefore unbelievers.

Unless ofcourse I'm missing something here, Voltage and ES and u guys are saying one can believe in Allah and not Muhammad saw, and still be Muslim

p.s. only Muslims go to heaven

LOOOOOOOOL.......really.........i guess i'm going to hell............yaay

[Basra-]

"Besides Muslim is a person that submits their will to the will of God and in my opinion that individual has submitted themselves to God."


Again, is this Voltage a closeted athiest? Does he understand the essentials or the definition of a Muslim? Submission to God? Vo, I think u are using the 'cadaan' & Ayaan Hirsi transalation of who a muslim is. You basically ....just....literally' translated the definition written in many of the kafir books about Islam, written to educate the mass none muslims (whom u call muslims) and introduce a 101 Islam theology. I think you are going by the word "Islam" which means to submit, right? That mj love Ayaan Hirsi goes around yapping and clapping about her knowledge of the Islam meaning submission definition.Even making a mocking Islam documentary called Submission. (and thankfully causing her dutch obese gay director or co producer being bruttally and deliciously being murdered) Vo, walaal you need to re-evaluate yourself properly. Are you a Muslim? Or an Athiest?



I will tell you this for sure:

a)A person who does not accept Our beloved Prophet SAW is definitely NOT A muslim.

b) A person who simply submits to "God" is not a muslim. He or She is just a Monotheist.



Fahamtu inaa siyaad baare gacaalka?

[Voltage]

Yes Basra, shukran for the enlightening education.

Geo, I shall do as you say and see. Currently I already educated the individual on the fact that the prophecy of Shiloh who is to come from non-Jews is actually the prophet Muhammed.

Genesis 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh comes; and to Him shall be the obedience of the people.

Jesus was a descendant of David who was a descendant of Judah who was a descendent of Jacob who was a descendant of Isaac who was a descendant of Abraham. The Christians like to believe the prophecy of Shiloh is Jesus but Jesus being a descendant of Judah would mean the scepter has not left Judah. Muhammad, the first prophet since Abraham and his sons not descended from Judah, is Shiloh as the Qur'an even tells us God told the Jews:

And this

Deuteronomy 18:18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brethren; and I will put my words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.

[Basra-]

Vo

u r most welcome.

[Shirib]

War Sheikh ma tihide naga aamu and don't talk about theology. I admit I can't say I myself am qualified but for you to make ignorant and general statements on theology is dangerous for you. God chooses who goes to heaven and because you are Muslim does not mean you go nor can you assume anything reverse. Besides Muslim is a person that submits their will to the will of God and in my opinion that individual has submitted themselves to God. Besides ever heard of the prostitute who went to heaven for giving a dying dog water or the man who killed 100 people but was told to migrate away and if he migrated to a specific land he would be given heaven and he died half-way and God gave him mercy?

Don't talk about theology man when I damn well know you aint no Sheikh.

You don't have to be a sheik to know that only Muslims go to heaven and u have to be Muslim to go to heaven.

the two stories u mentioned the assumption is that in both cases the people were Muslim.

So Voltage tell me something since u have an opinion, can u be a Muslim and not believe in Muhammad saw?

[Shirib]

There were Muslims before Prophet Muhammad SAW. Just like in the Qur'an we read about the Prophets before and how they submitted and how their people also submitted.

Thank you. Shirib baaban la yaabay. All the people prior who took the single renewed message of Allah starting from Adan are Muslims.

ur acting like I ever denied the statement that

Why are Jews not Muslim? Isn't it because they denied Jesus as and Muhammad saw? The Jews of Medina for the most part believed the same things we do, but what made them not one of us? They denied our nabi!!!

[Shirib]

LOOOOOOOOL.......really.........i guess i'm going to hell............yaay

fear a fire who's fuel is man and stone