Moderate Islam, Muslim

[ToughGong]

When that term is used by the wester media it means "a house nigger"

"Somaliland is a moderate Islamic democracy that the US could recognize without much controversy."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=ca

"Here we have a black African, moderate Islamic country with has a positive attitude toward the West, that protects women's rights, is willing to help in the war on terrorism.."

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=ca

The United States government should officially recognize the independence of Somaliland, a moderate Muslim democracy in the Horn of Africa if it is truly serious about democracy promotion and counter-terrorism

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=ca


etc. etc.


in conclusion: YOU IS A HOUSE NEGRO

Bal doqontan eega I'm not Somaliland nor do I aspire for recognition from anynoe but Allah swt
As for the links/ to with Great Satan(USA) it applies to alL nation states of this era other than Iran China and North Korea.So unless you got chinky eyes or speak Persian you're also by your definition a HOUSE NIGGER m8

[ToughGong]

lol there are many sects in islam, there is no such thing as one Islam, and by saying this is a big mistake, the true believers are no doubt muslims and need no other descriptions but that. Yet, we can't ignore the fact that there are people who say la illaha illalah and pray the salat that are far from Islam.

And so when we naively say there is only one Islam, to the ignorant observer they will no-doubtlessly put everyone in one big group, the practicing, the non practicing, the extremist, the terrorist. And this is a big mistake on our part, and a disservice to the authenticity of Islam and the muslims. So, my friends I think we need to change our rhteroic of "one Islam", because it doesn't hurt us to say this but it gives us a chance for dialog with those who are curious about who we truly are.

And yes I know you guys want to just say There is only one true Islam and that those who diverge from it are not from us, believe I understand from where your coming from. But one line slogans such as "Islam is Peace", "Islam is the only Solution", "Islam is the answer", is not what is needed and only idiots believe in slogans.

[Enlightened~Sista]

Rigid, extreme, illogical interpretations of Islam is definitely not what we need.What we should be following is the middle way, or 'Al Wasatiyah' as Allah calls it in the Qur'an.

[kadarre]

the middle way.

[SummerRain]

lol there are many sects in islam, there is no such thing as one Islam, and by saying this is a big mistake, the true believers are no doubt muslims and need no other descriptions but that. Yet, we can't ignore the fact that there are people who say la illaha illalah and pray the salat that are far from Islam.

And so when we naively say there is only one Islam, to the ignorant observer they will no-doubtlessly put everyone in one big group, the practicing, the non practicing, the extremist, the terrorist. And this is a big mistake on our part, and a disservice to the authenticity of Islam and the muslims. So, my friends I think we need to change our rhteroic of "one Islam", because it doesn't hurt us to say this but it gives us a chance for dialog with those who are curious about who we truly are.

And yes I know you guys want to just say There is only one true Islam and that those who diverge from it are not from us, believe I understand from where your coming from. But one line slogans such as "Islam is Peace", "Islam is the only Solution", "Islam is the answer", is not what is needed and only idiots believe in slogans.

Dude you just messed with Tawheed and the accuracy of Allah revealations to mankind. If anything, you should speak about One Islam as there is One Islam that was reveal. Subxanallah, this is dangerous what you just wrote.

[SummerRain]

Exec: I'm just trying to get past this simplification of Islam is one, there is only one true way, one true followers, and instead encouraging us to be able to discuss more concisely our beliefs and how we differ from certain groups that portray Islam in a certain way. Slogans are not the answer, we shouldn't be such a simply defined people among our non believing brethren, but in a muslim country yes we should definitely stress the unity and just being muslim instead of sufi, non madhabi, madhabi.etc.

What you are suggesting is why we have Shia, Suufis and the rest of the other deviation who are either in Shirk or Bidca and we all know where that will lead to.
IF there is more than one Islam why did Allah reveal these verse:
Verse(5:3);
“Today I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor to you and have chosen for you Al-Islam as your religion.”

Notice "AL-Islam" not Al-Islamiyaat

[Cali_Gaab]

@ perfect order.

[James Dahl]

The problem is when religion is mixed with politics. As long as the two are separate everything is fine, but as soon as politicians are making decisions for religious reasons, or Imams are making decisions for political reasons, things go bad and they go bad quickly.

[Enlightened~Sista]

Perfect order doesn't mean there is more than one Islamic religion, but many interpretations of some of the secondary beliefs of that Islam.

[SultanOrder]

And yes I know you guys want to just say There is only one true Islam and that those who diverge from it are not from us, believe [me] I understand from where your coming from. But one line slogans such as "Islam is Peace", "Islam is the only Solution", "Islam is the answer", is not what is needed and only idiots believe in slogans.

Dude you just messed with Tawheed and the accuracy of Allah revealations to mankind. If anything, you should speak about One Islam as there is One Islam that was reveal. Subxanallah, this is dangerous what you just wrote.

Dude that whole paragraph was dedicated to just a response. One I never speak about Tawheed, and that is not an issue here, nor did I mention the Quran or even hint at it being inaccurate. And so I don't understand how you can classify my statements as dangerous when you didn't even fully understand where I was coming from?

Exec: I'm just trying to get past this simplification of Islam is one, there is only one true way, one true followers, and instead encouraging us to be able to discuss more concisely our beliefs and how we differ from certain groups that portray Islam in a certain way. Slogans are not the answer, we shouldn't be such a simply defined people among our non believing brethren, but in a muslim country yes we should definitely stress the unity and just being muslim instead of sufi, non madhabi, madhabi.etc.

What you are suggesting is why we have Shia, Suufis and the rest of the other deviation who are either in Shirk or Bidca and we all know where that will lead to.
IF there is more than one Islam why did Allah reveal these verse:
Verse(5:3);
“Today I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor to you and have chosen for you Al-Islam as your religion.”
Notice "AL-Islam" not Al-Islamiyaat

Ismahan re-read my statements in the context of a muslim having a dialog with a non-muslim, and if you have specific questions please ask them.

[SultanOrder]

Perfect order doesn't mean there is more than one Islamic religion, but many interpretations of some of the secondary beliefs of that Islam.

True, though I myself adhere to the aqida of Ashari and Matrudi, and follow Ahlul Sunnah Wa'al Jama'ah more specificly the Shafi Madhab and anyone who follows outside of this is not part of the group that strayed closest to the straight path. And even this entails a very broad and wide understanding of Islam, that cannot say there is only one form and one kind of way to do every act. Ofcourse to follow this I have to believe as such, and for shia's to be shia's they have to believe as such. At the same time I cannot deny that Islam has spread and taken on many forms, where there were many deviant sects.

But The whole Point I was making was, when we talk to non muslims we cannot be a slogan believers, and have slogan answers such as " Islam is Solution to all humanity", we have to be much more educated and engage people in a deeper level, which entails getting proper understanding and knowledge in our Religion, so we cans say Hey this is the problems society faces take a look at the answers Islam gives 1. 2. 3. etc.

[Enlightened~Sista]

But The whole Point I was making was, when we talk to non muslims we cannot be a slogan believers, and have slogan answers such as " Islam is Solution to all humanity", we have to be much more educated and engage people in a deeper level, which entails getting proper understanding and knowledge in our Religion, so we cans say Hey this is the problems society faces take a look at the answers Islam gives 1. 2. 3. etc.

[SummerRain]

And yes I know you guys want to just say There is only one true Islam and that those who diverge from it are not from us, believe [me] I understand from where your coming from. But one line slogans such as "Islam is Peace", "Islam is the only Solution", "Islam is the answer", is not what is needed and only idiots believe in slogans.

Dude you just messed with Tawheed and the accuracy of Allah revealations to mankind. If anything, you should speak about One Islam as there is One Islam that was reveal. Subxanallah, this is dangerous what you just wrote.

Dude that whole paragraph was dedicated to just a response. One I never speak about Tawheed, and that is not an issue here, nor did I mention the Quran or even hint at it being inaccurate. And so I don't understand how you can classify my statements as dangerous when you didn't even fully understand where I was coming from?

Exec: I'm just trying to get past this simplification of Islam is one, there is only one true way, one true followers, and instead encouraging us to be able to discuss more concisely our beliefs and how we differ from certain groups that portray Islam in a certain way. Slogans are not the answer, we shouldn't be such a simply defined people among our non believing brethren, but in a muslim country yes we should definitely stress the unity and just being muslim instead of sufi, non madhabi, madhabi.etc.

What you are suggesting is why we have Shia, Suufis and the rest of the other deviation who are either in Shirk or Bidca and we all know where that will lead to.
IF there is more than one Islam why did Allah reveal these verse:
Verse(5:3);
“Today I perfected your religion for you and completed my favor to you and have chosen for you Al-Islam as your religion.”
Notice "AL-Islam" not Al-Islamiyaat

Ismahan re-read my statements in the context of a muslim having a dialog with a non-muslim, and if you have specific questions please ask them.

If I were having a dialog with a non muslim, I would tell him/her that Islam is peace and islam s the answer...b/c it is. I acknowledge there are different deviations of Islam, but we are also told out of the 72 sects, there is only one to the straight path. And the way to be on that path is to return to the Quran and the correct guidlines given in to Sunnah. However, when you belittle the oneness and the perfection of Islam b/c of various misinterpretations done by people, you are not only misinforming the non muslim on Islam but you are doing disservice to our perfect religion. Try to distinguish between Islam and Muslims. Islam is ONe, its Peace and it is the answer...Muslims are just creations and can be the most imperfect ones too.
Wa ciyadu bilaah

[ciyaal_warta]

PO
i think u talkin bout islamo-politic ..or siyaasa-alislaamiyah or u takin bout the foundation of islam.

lemmi ask this question:: are u sayin all these sects are perfect islam and islam is not one...if thatz the case remember the hadith of the prophet which he talked bout it 72 sects and one will go to jannah the rest will go 2 hell...dat indicates that there is only one islam no matter wat the rest of sects claim..their caqedah is shirk or bidcah sxb

[military-mind]

If I were having a dialog with a non muslim, I would tell him/her that Islam is peace and islam s the answer...b/c it is. I acknowledge there are different deviations of Islam, but we are also told out of the 72 sects, there is only one to the straight path. And the way to be on that path is to return to the Quran and the correct guidlines given in to Sunnah. However, when you belittle the oneness and the perfection of Islam b/c of various misinterpretations done by people, you are not only misinforming the non muslim on Islam but you are doing disservice to our perfect religion. Try to distinguish between Islam and Muslims. Islam is ONe, its Peace and it is the answer...Muslims are just creations and can be the most imperfect ones too.
Wa ciyadu bilaah