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[IRONm@N]

Wow, this union guy will defend anything, now he is defending American crimes in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan and making it all good will but Muslim crimes are inhuman and bad?

[Kukri]

Wow, this union guy will defend anything, now he is defending American crimes in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, but emphasizing on Alqaeda and Alshabaab crimes?

Doesn't he remind you of mad mac?

[IRONm@N]

Wow, this union guy will defend anything, now he is defending American crimes in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan, but emphasizing on Alqaeda and Alshabaab crimes?

Doesn't he remind you of mad mac?

He sounds like someone paid to defend America. not even Americans defend their crimes in the world. they admit it, and criticize their army and government.

[zaahidun]

here he is putting Arab civilizations on a pedestal and making cyber sajuud to them. Somalis are peaceful sufis who aren’t interested in global conquest, not that its even possible anymore, and nor are we interested in a massive nanny state that infringes on our nomadic independence.

[/quote]At least the Arab Umayyads and Abbasids believed in Allah. At least they implemented Islaam. At lease they promoted and spread Islaam..[/quote]

ummayyads and abbasids were not only arabs but they were muslims from all over the world , they implemented sharia and that is what we are looking for . now there is no a single nation on the earth implementing sharia as it supposed to be implemented , but practicing 10 is better than 0 . .

alshabaab iyo dowladana wax lays barbar dhigo maba ahan alshabab fikirkooda waa wax eey diin ahaan u aamin sanyihiin mana ka fuqayaan but the corrupt government hadi loo helo good leaders dhibka meeshas ayuu ku egyahay .
and dont take alshabab's actiona as an islamic behaviour , but if they stopped ficiladoodaan fa'ahlan wasahlan hadii kale waa walaalaheen oo diintu ku daba rogan tay marka waa in la badbaadiyaa ,xumaantana laga celiyaa sida ugu macquulsan

[Kukri]

2- I believe education should preceed the implementation of the Sharia. A lot of Muslims are mistrusting of the Sharia. Education would show why Sharia is beautfil and flexible. It is after all, Allah SWT's law. God does not descend laws that cannot be implemented.


If Sharia law was so stiffling, how do you explain the Muslim world's progression when they actually implemented properly? The Non muslims europeans only progressed when they dump their church and bible. The Muslims on the other hand have gotten WORSE by departing from Islam. You speak about turkey, but the greatest period in Turkish history was undoubtedly the Ottomans era, where sharia was implemented.

You think that implementing Sharia in its ideal way or at least at a competent level is not realistic. I disagree. We must first educate..

For those of you that are using the likes of al-shabab to oppose the sharia law, the comment above from melo explain whats needed in order for sharia law to be feasible. education! The attitude of Muslims today towards sharia leave a lot to be desired. The objection from fellow Muslims says a lot about the state of the Ummah and how far we came off the track. It's not in your place to dismiss the sharia out of hand without listening to our caalims and those that are in a more suitable position to jugde if, when and how it could be implemented.

neo-con syndrome is what most Muslims are suffering from today without even realising they've cough the common kafir cold.

[union]

Finally, if you want to have a proper discussion union, youre going to have to learn not to conflate terms. All the countries you mentioned were CAPITALIST. Sacuudi Arabia can be considered capitalist, and they are more successful than Cuba or the other socialist countries in SA. The defining factor here in terms of material success is not secularism but capitalism. Make a note of this, otherwise you'll embarrass yourself.

Saudi Arabia....aren't you opposed to the Ibn Saud'?

They are successful by selling oil to the industrialized western world which you believe is the bastion of shirk and kufrnimo eh, so why are you flaunting this soon to be bankrupt petrol state?

[union]

Melo I know you think you are some great internet mullah who is going to grace and impress us all with all the knowledge you’ve gleamed from whatever dead Arab philosopher your local masjid book group read, but quite frankly we are not interested. Somalia is going to remain a bunch of nebulous clan states. The Arabs will always remain divided and weak. No enlightened shariah empire will arise, this century or the next. This is the reality and you must accept it.


sorry my hawyie friend, no pillaging for you

[union]

alshabaab iyo dowladana wax lays barbar dhigo maba ahan alshabab fikirkooda waa wax eey diin ahaan u aamin sanyihiin mana ka fuqayaan but the corrupt government hadi loo helo good leaders dhibka meeshas ayuu ku egyahay .

nacam.


Good leaders=Farmajo

Al Shabab soon to be history. Maybe then people like melo can return from whatever land they are exiled in and start feeling proud of SOMALIA rather than ancient Arabs. He is like the history-less black Americans who are obsessed with ancient Egypt.

[zaahidun]

alshabaab iyo dowladana wax lays barbar dhigo maba ahan alshabab fikirkooda waa wax eey diin ahaan u aamin sanyihiin mana ka fuqayaan but the corrupt government hadi loo helo good leaders dhibka meeshas ayuu ku egyahay .

nacam.


Good leaders=Farmajo

Al Shabab soon to be history. Maybe then people like melo can return from whatever land they are exiled in and start feeling proud of SOMALIA rather than ancient Arabs. He is like the history-less black Americans who are obsessed with ancient Egypt.

dowlada wey ka fiican tahay alshabab lakin labada dhinac waxeey ka mideysan yihiin in islamic sharia shey lala barbardhigi kalo uusan jirin ee waxaa laysku qilaafayaa eey tahay qaabka koox walba rabto iney wax u maamusho , lakin ciidamada TFG ayaa xitaa ku dilayo hadaad la imaato secularism ayaa shareecada islaamka ka fiican .

[melo]

Finally, if you want to have a proper discussion union, youre going to have to learn not to conflate terms. All the countries you mentioned were CAPITALIST. Sacuudi Arabia can be considered capitalist, and they are more successful than Cuba or the other socialist countries in SA. The defining factor here in terms of material success is not secularism but capitalism. Make a note of this, otherwise you'll embarrass yourself.

Saudi Arabia....aren't you opposed to the Ibn Saud'?

They are successful by selling oil to the industrialized western world which you believe is the bastion of shirk and kufrnimo eh, so why are you flaunting this soon to be bankrupt petrol state?

Way to miss the point . Didn't want to own up your shame hey?

I am not flaunting anything. I am merely educating you. You conflated the two terms. It is not secularism that is important here, but capitalism.

If secularism was the defining factor here, than Cuba, Cambodia (pol pot), Vietnamese, Soviet Union, the SA bloc would all be materially successful. The reality however is quite different. This is proof in the pudding that your claim about secularism is clue. Now i just showed you a capitalist country that can't be considered secular (Sacuudi) being successful (materially). The same can be said about UAE- They are not an Islamic state, but they are certainly not secular. They are more of a hybrid. (In fact, a lot of thinkers argue that the UNITED STATES cannot be considered secula)r. Academics will tell you this themselves, so don't come here with nonsense that these countries can be deemed secular. Go learn the definition of secular.

This isn't to say that i promote capitalist. Far from it. I think capitalism is an exploitative system, which is materialistic at nature and takes Bani adaam away from their real purpose in life. It also, in the process destroys the environment and exploits the poorer countries.

Melo I know you think you are some great internet mullah who is going to grace and impress us all with all the knowledge you’ve gleamed from whatever dead Arab philosopher your local masjid book group read, but quite frankly we are not interested. Somalia is going to remain a bunch of nebulous clan states. The Arabs will always remain divided and weak. No enlightened shariah empire will arise, this century or the next. This is the reality and you must accept it.


sorry my hawyie friend, no pillaging for you

Are you ruling this out entirely? Because if you are, you are denying the explicit statements of Allah SWT and the prophet Muhammad. Allah SWT himself said that Islaam would supercede and smash all other civilizations. Our prophet saws said that Ciise would descend, kill dajjal and Islaam (not secularism) would rule the world. So again, i ask, are you denying these explicit statements?

[melo]

Al Shabab soon to be history. Maybe then people like melo can return from whatever land they are exiled in and start feeling proud of SOMALIA rather than ancient Arabs.

Ancient Arabs includes Abu Bakr, Cumar, Cuthmaan, Cali, Mucaawiya etc eh? They are closer to me than your faqash kaafir leader, Siyaad barre, and are certainly closer to me than Liberals in the west.

Allah SWT said " The believers are brothers". He made no distinction between races. It is Islaam that unites. So if a somali apostates (Ayaan Xirsi, Siyaad barre, Cabdullahi Yusuf (during invasion)), i can no longer affliate with them. A muslim in indonesia is closer to me than a kaafir Somali.

Furthermore, Islaam while having its basis in the Arab world, is not exclusively an Arab religion. Islaam's spread is not simply an Arab story. Heck, look at the major muxadiths and major Islamic scholars. A lot of them were not Arabs. The Ottomans were not arabs. Islaam supersedes all that. Islaam is our shared heritage, our shared diin. When you demean the people who promoted and propagated Islam and who without, you would still be worshipping son, it shows your sickness.

Somali culture is ROOTED in Islaam and indeed Arabic culture. Just look at our language, half the terms are arabs. Our letters, a lot of them have perfect Arabic equivalents. We share some cultural practices. So as much as you try and demean the Arabs, there is no original somali culture that you can run to. Just accept the reality sxb

[grandpakhalif]

Al Shabab soon to be history. Maybe then people like melo can return from whatever land they are exiled in and start feeling proud of SOMALIA rather than ancient Arabs.

Ancient Arabs includes Abu Bakr, Cumar, Cuthmaan, Cali, Mucaawiya etc eh? They are closer to me than your faqash kaafir leader, Siyaad barre, and are certainly closer to me than Liberals in the west.

Allah SWT said " The believers are brothers". He made no distinction between races. It is Islaam that unites. So if a somali apostates (Ayaan Xirsi, Siyaad barre, Cabdullahi Yusuf (during invasion)), i can no longer affliate with them. A muslim in indonesia is closer to me than a kaafir Somali.

Furthermore, Islaam while having its basis in the Arab world, is not exclusively an Arab religion. Islaam's spread is not simply an Arab story. Heck, look at the major muxadiths and major Islamic scholars. A lot of them were not Arabs. The Ottomans were not arabs. Islaam supersedes all that. Islaam is our shared heritage, our shared diin. When you demean the people who promoted and propagated Islam and who without, you would still be worshipping son, it shows your sickness.

Somali culture is ROOTED in Islaam and indeed Arabic culture. Just look at our language, half the terms are arabs. Our letters, a lot of them have perfect Arabic equivalents. We share some cultural practices. So as much as you try and demean the Arabs, there is no original somali culture that you can run to. Just accept the reality sxb

God bless Abu Bakr (RA), Uthman bin affan (RA), Ali ibn abu talib (ra) and omar bin khattab(ra) and the next line of amirs like Muawiyah (RA). Mujahid Khalid bin Al walid (RA) and Hamza. These believing arabs are closer to me than all humans


People who hate Islam hide behind their hatred for Arabs, I've noticed among many users in this forum, it all begins by deep resentment to arabs.

[melo]

People who hate Islam hide behind their hatred for Arabs, I've noticed among many users in this forum, it all begins by deep resentment to arabs

Truer words have never been spoken. Funny. The Arabs brought Islam, the europeans/west colonized Somalia and to this day interfere with the country's progress, by backing illegitimate regimes like the TFG. Yet the doofaars on this forum worship the very presence of the europeans, while cursing the Arabs. Yes, the Arabs are focked today in their own day. But that doesn't give you the right to demean the esteemed Sahabah, nor the pious Islamic empires that established Islaam across the world.

Union and his friends are most definitely uncle ruckus


I support Shariica- God's law

Union and co support- Secularism which is clear kufr and is a western invention

If i wanted to Arabize Somalia, i would ban the somali language and replace it with arabic, ban the macawiis and koofiyad and instruct everyone to wear thowbs and Cimaamads (which isn't sunnah- only the turban is) force everyone to adopt Arab mannerisms, lingo, change all our names to Arabic names (the ones which have no religious meaning to them, like Haytham, Amr, taalib etc), changing female dances at arooses to arab dances etc. This is Arabization. Implementing aspects of Arabic culture that has no relation to the diin.

Calling for Shariica is not Arabization. Looking at civilizations that implemented Shariica and succeeded materially is not worship. It just gives me hope that Islaam will rise again.

What i believe is worship, is taking a system that is the antithesis of Islaam, and which is western in nature and was brought into existence by colonial forces, and trying to implement it in a Muslim, Somali Country. You are an Adoon.

The Somali people will not accept this. Siyaad barre's socialism was rejected by most Somalis. The fact that TFG today has to put Shariica in their law indicates that the Somali people will not accept secularism.

[melo]

What i find amazing, is that no one on this forum speaks against this mulxid. They can sit, day in and day out, arguing about who killed more people during the civil war, which qabiil is the most successful, what clan has the biggest land in Somalia, but they'll never speak against the kaafirs on this forum. The ones who mock Allah and his messenger, doubting them whilst being unchallenged. It just goes to show you how sick the Somali community is here. Qabiil is more important than islaam. Union is attacked only when he attacks Isaaq and Hawiye. When he attacks Islam, everyone is silent. What a shame.

[union]

Melo

If you are so intent on conquering the world, I suggest you play Civilization IV and take up the role of Saladin.