Why the ill-based criticism towards Farmajo supporters?

[Voltage]

Read couple back topics where people were talking about how "hypocritical" it is that some seem deflated about the TFG now that Farmaajo is gone and I can't help but question how smart they actually are. Farmaajo earned respect. No one is opposed to the new prime minister, because as many Farmaajo supporters have said, this is his good friend, a guy from the diaspora, a professor, a clean guy whose replacement as prime minister was the condition with which Farmaajo himself decided to accept resigning. But Abdiwali came to be named in a situation where only his announcement as prime minister was the positive thing. He barely has any power, and even half of his cabinet announcements belong to the Speaker Sharif Hassan. This isn't to say we should oppose the new prime minister, but how can Somalis go and parade into the streets just yet??

It makes no sense. The reason why the Mogadishu populace rose, why Somalis protested from all continents, is because of one central figure who then surrounded himself with the most lean cabinet the TFG had seen who were all named by him and his authority, and their accomplishment. Why should genuine support of Somali governance depend on extending the respect Farmaajo earned to the illegality that assumed afterwards? Frankly, Professor Abdiwali's announcement as PM is welcomed and as been said time and time again he was the best person to be named. Now it stands to be seen if he can capture the goodwill Farmaajo captured for the first time of any Somali national leader in 20 years. I do not believe he can to be honest and not because he is not capable but he has already been neutered by the process that saw his current position (Prime Minister's office) open for new occupant; essentially the illegal Kampala Accord.

[gemini_snake]

interesting.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Well wishing.

If the obese videogame addicted Ina Sharmarke was able to hustle on behalf of Puntland you'd better bet the cunning Cabdiweli will do far better in that respect. Unlike other Puntland politicians, Cabdiweli has genuine unselfish concern for his home region. He will usher in a new era of development in Puntland indirectly through his access to international connections and funds. We'll all watch in awe. That's all I'm gonna say. God bless the young son of Puntland.

[Alphanumeric]

I like cheese.

[Voltage]

Gemini-

Do you have anything to opine? I also read couple responses from you and Monk talking about how this guy was the founding member of a diaspora Puntland group and this is why you now support him from Puntland perspective (and not because he is MJ). Based on perceived tribalism? How about you go back to the first time he was named and see my statement saying the most bright star in the cabinet is him based on the fact I know him through my uncle who is one of his good friends. Gedo University had three major fundraisers and two out of those three meetings the professor was a main speaker and contributor. You do him injustice by putting tribe around his neck and frankly the last thing I will accept is someone saying the professor's sub-clan out of Darod not being mine is why I or others who came to support Farmaajo's achievement is why we are not "excited" (which is a falsehood to begin with).

Paid-

You hardly proved yourself as in tune with national Somali politics and cannot be faulted for whatever assumptions you hold. Like Farmaajo, I know Abdiwali to be a nationalist and like Farmaajo, he is educated and sees beyond base third world identities. Because he wants good opportunities for the region his tribe came from doesn't mean he wants it at the expense of other Somalis, but rather along with it and I believe the professor will proof himself to be. His wife herself, Hodan Isse, is a professor of finance in New York. You aren't dealing with the usual badows such as Abdullahi Yusuf, Geedi, etc brah. New era, new guys.

[gemini_snake]

voltage,

i don't support the tfg. i just can't. i don't care who the pm is, it will not change my opinion of the tfg especially when there are 500 retarded pms and the dameer and the illiterate speaker. no thank you.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Him attending fundraisers for other clans' events is of no relevance to his political loyalties, my father was a founding member of the Asmara Group while still actively supporting Puntland - and fundraisers are far less extreme than that. You can convince yourself that there was some underlying merit for which he was chosen, but even that doesn't take away the fact that he still has a strong Puntland agenda. Just because Farmaajo picked the wrong cause (Xamar as opposed to Gedo) does not mean Cabdiweli will be as stupid. I told Murax in the Puntland section that Farmaajo's biggest failure was his naivety about priorities and letting the spotlight in Xamar blind him from the reality - even when he might've been dishing out cheques to Mogadishu troops, his kin in Gedo lost ground due to lack of funds. I'll repeat, just because Farmaajo had a fucked up agenda and fully failed his kin, does not mean Cabdiweli will follow the same steps; its my belief that they are totally different men - Farmaajo is a childlike idealist while Cabdiweli is a realistic politician who will actually accomplish something for at least one part of the country if anything.

I also will add to GeminiSnake in saying that I don't support the TFG and never have, it can go to hell - but I support any man who usurps it to support development for parts of the country, and sapping Sheikh Shariif's travel money to build some infrastructure in Puntland is wonderful in my books.

[Voltage]

voltage,

i don't support the tfg. i just can't. i don't care who the pm is, it will not change my opinion of the tfg especially when there are 500 retarded pms and the dameer and the illiterate speaker. no thank you.

We are 100% in agreement.

500 = illiterate charlatans who got their position through tribal nepotism and when clans and clan warlords had power
President = a guy who does not qualify to be a an office administrator
Speaker = Guy who should be in a GED class

We are 100% agreement.

[gemini_snake]

voltage,

i don't support the tfg. i just can't. i don't care who the pm is, it will not change my opinion of the tfg especially when there are 500 retarded pms and the dameer and the illiterate speaker. no thank you.

We are 100% in agreement.

500 = illiterate charlatans who got their position through tribal nepotism and when clans and clan warlords had power
President = a guy who does not qualify to be a an office administrator
Speaker = Guy who should be in a GED class

We are 100% agreement.

so tell me how you can support the tfg because of 1 man when there are over 500 idiots who've never finished elementary school and sign documents with imprints of their thumbs? i didn't support the tfg when omar was pm, i didn't support the tfg when farmaajo was pm, and i won't support the tfg now.

[Voltage]

Paid-

What you see naivety, I see greater love of nation. Gedo is nothing without its capital and the few base things you see in Puntland are explained by geography more than anything else and of which would be seen as nothing if its capital was healthy. Farmaajo concentrating, as his duty requires, on the capital says more about his nationalism than anything and the fact he went into history so far as the most notable Somali leader since Siad Barre should show you as much.

My own mother, when I ask her what she hopes to see in Somalia she tells me "to see Xamar in peace" and when I ask her "mom will you go to Caabudwaaq your birth place or Gedo your adopted home", wallahul cadiim she always says "if I could choose to go and live in any part of Somalia I will go and live in Xamar again". Maybe it is a difference of raising, but I see all of the land as my land, Xamar as my capital, and would want an Abgaal to be able to find Garbahareey his favorite place in Somalia to live and build a life as I would see Warsheikh or something. Before the civil war, there was Isaaq governor of Gedo, a Marehan governor of Hiiraan, a Majeerteen governor of Bay, a Raxanweyn governor of Togdheer. Land belongs legally to citizens of the nation who hold legal right over it. What are we, in 7th century yesteryears when clan has ownership of public property?

[Voltage]

so tell me how you can support the tfg because of 1 man when there are over 500 idiots who've never finished elementary school and sign documents with imprints of their thumbs? i didn't support the tfg when omar was pm, i didn't support the tfg when farmaajo was pm, and i won't support the tfg now.

It is not an individual thing. i supported him the same reason the Hawiye protestors who kicked out Darod supported him. Because he was honest, and as prime minister made sure corruption went down, soldiers were paid, civil society was paid, got people over clan animosity by him being a different tribe and still looking out for the interest of Mogadishu more than any tribesman had before in civil war, etc. I didn't support Omar because he didn't deserve my respect, as for Abdiwali he has my support now but he hasn't earned my respect with respect to his achievement in Somalia. He has my support again, but my respect and the Somali people and Mogadishu's respect has to be earned.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

Voltage the difference between me and you is that I expect what CAN happen, you expect what SHOULD happen. My dreams for Somalia are the same as yours and even the same as those of the most hardcore Somalilanders, but I differentiate those dreams from the realm of possibility in the now era.

We're all patriotic if it means we want a peaceful Somalia - but none of us have the power. Farmaajo is 49 years old, I'm 21 years old - and yet I know better than to join Sheikh Hotel's circus if I wanted to improve Somalia in any way. I take back what I said about him being naive, he's not naive, he's just a great thief. Nobody goes into the TFG thinking they can change Somalia. All these technocrats with their $600 suits and $50/plate meals are not there to fix ceeb, they are there to enrich themselves, the P-Land ones only differ in that they are sent to serve their clan after themselves whereas everyone else is out for their own pocket alone. That's the reality. I refuse to delude myself into thinking that men who sleep in $40/night hotels in a 3rd world country are out to make a difference. Pure BS. When I saw Farmaajo with his clean-cut hair, $150 shirt rolled up, and 6 AU troops clearing the way I knew this guy had no mind for Somalia.

Again, I'll explain that we have the same dreams - but I know that its not possible as a goal, so I reduce my goals to something more tangible and realistic and I expect the same from everyone in my community. When you stop lying to yourself, we can come to a conclusion about what's going on and what will happen. I already know. But you live in a bubble and that's not going anywhere. I really don't understand what you stand to gain by continuing to play yourself with this outlook.

[Knight of Wisdom]

Voltage getting at Gemini-Snake. Match made in HELL.

[gemini_snake]

so tell me how you can support the tfg because of 1 man when there are over 500 idiots who've never finished elementary school and sign documents with imprints of their thumbs? i didn't support the tfg when omar was pm, i didn't support the tfg when farmaajo was pm, and i won't support the tfg now.

It is not an individual thing. i supported him the same reason the Hawiye protestors who kicked out Darod supported him. Because he was honest, and as prime minister made sure corruption went down, soldiers were paid, civil society was paid, got people over clan animosity by him being a different tribe and still looking out for the interest of Mogadishu more than any tribesman had before in civil war, etc. I didn't support Omar because he didn't deserve my respect, as for Abdiwali he has my support now but he hasn't earned my respect with respect to his achievement in Somalia. He has my support again, but my respect and the Somali people and Mogadishu's respect has to be earned.

1 man working under/with corrupt people in a messed up system = not worth supporting. there's no point in supporting the tfg when the two sharifs are around because there will always be corruption, in-fighting, backstabbing etc. when the elections in 2012 happen, i will reassess my support for the government.

[Knight of Wisdom]

Is funny how we know for a fact that Daarood, Hawiye and Isxaaq can NEVER EVER build a unitary government with each other. Yet, here we are discussing the TFG, which is made up of CRIMINALS, WARLORDS, RAPISTS, THIEVES and SEX PREDATORS.