God have mercy on that kafir.

[Alchemist]

Even though that individual rejected his/her creator the entire time he/she was on this earth. Even though God has told us where such people will end up. Even though the prophet(peace be upon him) himself was not permitted to pray for his relatives who rejected Islam, rejected the very purpose they were created for. He was even prohibited from praying over the hypocrites.

Than what's up with all the RIP tupac, RIP BIG my nigga RIP Amy winehouse.
And no you couldn't use " we don't know how they died they might converted at the last second" as an excuse We judge on what is known.

This does not mean any way that the dead should be insulted or cursed. But is xaram saying rip or making dua for dead kafir. Just simply remain silent.

This is not a wahabi thing or a extremist view is basic Islam 101.

[FAH1223]

yup

[DisplacedDiraac]

I totally agree with you Al..

[Oxy-]

But is xaram saying rip or making dua for dead kafir. Just simply remain silent.

What if a close relative of yours was a dead kaffir would you simply remain silent ... or would you continue praying hoping that god would still have mercy on them



Try & answer that - it should be interesting

[The_Patriot]

You cannot say God have mercy on that Kafir?
Because he will never.

but you can say May God have mercy on saw and so.

[Alchemist]

But is xaram saying rip or making dua for dead kafir. Just simply remain silent.

What if a close relative of yours was a dead kaffir would you simply remain silent ... or would you continue praying hoping that god would still have mercy on them



Try & answer that - it should be interesting

Even if he was a relative of mine once they passed away in disbelief I wouldn't make dua for them. I would be sad for them though, learn from it and pray to god that he keeps me on Islam.

Prophets like ibrahim, Noah and even Muhammad (peace be on all of them were prohibited from praying on their non believing relatives.. this is in the quran. In fact the verses are many.

[Warsan_Star_Muslimah]

Remaining silent is the best issue, for some the thought of their 'kafir' relatives going to hell is not nice.

[Alchemist]

the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “I shall certainly pray for forgiveness for you so long as I am not forbidden to do so.” Then the words were revealed (interpretation of the meaning): “It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allaah’s forgiveness for the Mushrikoon, even though they be of kin, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Fire (because they died in a state of disbelief)” [al-Tawbah 9:113] and: “Verily, you (O Muhammad) guide not whom you like,” [al-Qasas 28:56].

[Alchemist]

His mother died in kufr –can he pray for her?

Can a muslim pray for his non-mulsim mother who has passed away? Praise be to Allaah. Allaah says in His Book (interpretation of the meaning): “It is not (proper) for the Prophet and those who believe to ask Allaah’s forgiveness for the Mushrikoon, even though they be of kin, after it has become clear to them that they are the dwellers of the Fire (because they died in a state of disbelief)” [al-Tawbah 9:113] Al-Qurtubi said in al-Ahkaam (8/173): “This aayah means that one should cut off ties of close friendship with the kuffaar, whether they are alive or dead. Allaah did not allow the believers to pray for forgiveness for the mushrikeen. Seeking forgiveness for a mushrik is something that is not permitted.” Muslim narrated in his Saheeh (916) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I asked my Lord for permission to pray for forgiveness for my mother, and He did not permit me. I asked Him for permission to visit her grave, and He granted me permission.” This hadeeth makes it clear that Allaah did not permit His Prophet, who is the noblest of His creation, to seek forgiveness for his mother after she had died. This is what Allaah forbids in the aayah quoted above, and the hadeeth states this clearly. Al-Shawkaani said in Fath al-Qadeer (2/410): This aayah implies that there are no ties of close friendship with the kuffaar, and that it is haraam to pray for forgiveness for them, or to make du’aa’ for kaafirs in ways that are not permitted. If someone were to say that Ibraaheem prayed for his kaafir father, as he said, “Peace be on you! I will ask forgiveness of my Lord for you. Verily, He is unto me Ever Most Gracious” [Maryam 19:47 –interpretation of the meaning], the response to that is what Allaah said in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “And Ibraaheem’s (Abraham) invoking (of Allaah) for his father’s forgiveness was only because of a promise he [Ibraaheem] had made to him (his father). But when it became clear to him that he (his father) is an enemy of Allaah, he dissociated himself from him. Verily, Ibraaheem was Awwah (one who invokes Allaah with humility, glorifies Him and remembers Him much) and was forbearing” [al-Tawbah 9:114] Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: When he died, it became clear to him that he was an enemy of Allaah. (Tafseer Ibn Katheer). And Allaah knows best. Islam Q&A S


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[Alphanumeric]

You can also use the hadeeth of the Prophet's father, being from the people of naar.

[melo]

^ That xadiith could be abot about Abu Talib. How could the prophet's dad be in hell fire, when he died before the true message was revealed? It doesn't even sound just. This is one the few cases where i agree with the whirling dervishes and ashaacirah

[yungnfresh]

Even though that individual rejected his/her creator the entire time he/she was on this earth. Even though God has told us where such people will end up. Even though the prophet(peace be upon him) himself was not permitted to pray for his relatives who rejected Islam, rejected the very purpose they were created for. He was even prohibited from praying over the hypocrites.

Than what's up with all the RIP tupac, RIP BIG my nigga RIP Amy winehouse.
And no you couldn't use " we don't know how they died they might converted at the last second" as an excuse We judge on what is known.

This does not mean any way that the dead should be insulted or cursed. But is xaram saying rip or making dua for dead kafir. Just simply remain silent.

This is not a wahabi thing or a extremist view is basic Islam 101.

[Alchemist]

Guys we are in agreement, let's not argue on the few issues of khilaf. There are atheists among us.