I started a blog about Somali history

[Mondey]

bareento, i have a friend from Harar he is ethiopian but he strongly refuses to be called ethiopian he calls himself "Harari"
do all ppl of harrar think likewise now days?

[bareento]

bareento, i have a friend from Harar he is ethiopian but he strongly refuses to be called ethiopian he calls himself "Harari"
do all ppl of harrar think likewise now days?

Ethnic Harari were not used to be anti-Ethiopian, but nowadays many of them are like your friend!
Their ethnic Hareri identity comes first!

B.

[Gara Man]

I see some people are still fantasizing about Imam Ahmed's Tribe and ethnicity time to add my two sense if the thread is still about that

Fortunately we live in the modern world where the world doesn't have to revolve around one persons mythical genealogy. But sometimes it just makes me wonder is this what some people here have come to resort to? When questioning who was Imaam Ahmed Al qhazi, they are forced to beg and try any way possible to connect their insignificant sublcan of Somali to him. When in fact Imaam Ahmed, referring to his ethnic make up, has no connects to Somalis whatsoever. It has been documented that the already mentioned Somali clans were forced to fight for the Imaam's cause. This does not sound like a person who was supposedly descended from Somali! Also, when referring to the Imaam's birthplace, the most probable places would have to be either Hubat or Gideya, both located in eastern Hararghe, or somewhere in between not Ziela. Back then Zeila was probably defined as a wide open province with the city sea port Ziela as its capital, so it could of very much over lapped with several different near-by or near-far places.

It seems some people have come obsessed with this matter of Imaam Ahmed, while it has been documented, and been already mentioned by a poster here, that Imaam Ahmed Al Ghazi and Ahmed Guree "the left handed" were two different persons. With one being the Imaam/Admiral while the other the Subordinate/lieutenant respectively. People have wasted half their entire cyber lives in trying to showcase connecting that their own clan was the "real Imaam Ahmed". I guess latent configured guild-lines of who ever yells the loudest, who ever has the mightiest duo, or who ever writes the most bs is the victor of right to claim Imaam Ahmed's identity. Or maybe its just here on Somalinet- the place where peoples tribal daydreams come true.

[RovingMadness]

^^^^

Very well stated. Sums up this whole none sense

[Eaglehawk]

yamyam iyo qadadwayn VS voltage yet non other then voltage has posted sources and documents

yamyam iyo qadadwayn stick to be history debaters and let the real history makers make history

[Voltage]

yamyam iyo qadadwayn VS voltage yet non other then voltage has posted sources and documents

[HippoTT]

Voltage really stomped a few clowns here. Its funny how jealous losers try to force Somalis out of their own history, as if they can change tons of scholarly sources about Somali generals, Sultans, commanders, Knights, or hundreds of ruins in Somalia from Adal glory times. Ahmed was a fully-fledged Somali man, there were never two Ahmed Gurays, Girri is not the same as Gurey. In the Futuh there are other people that are Girri, its the name of a clan, and that clan is not known as the left-handed clan. The leader of that clan uses Al-Somal as a last name like Salman the companion of Muhammad(pbuh) used Al-Farsi, this doesn't mean all the other gallant historic Somali figures of the Futuh chronicles who didn't use Al-Somal are suddenly NON-SOMALI, lol how stupid is that.

I wouldn't trust the english edition of FUTUH by pan-ethiopianist Pankhurst, if he could get away with a theory that Somalis came from Alaska he would do it in split second. Its better to read the original, the French or the Somali editions.

[HaragWafi85]

I am well sure the Arabic version of Futah Al Habash also mentions the other Ahmed Gurey (Ahmed Gurey Husayn) of the Habar Magaadle - Isaaq Emperior has the arabic version. Either way it's clear nobody knows the real ethinicity of the imam ibrahim al ghazi what matters though is he was a muslim warrior that was born in east africa.

[Murax]

Absolute massacre by Voltage

[Voltage]

Voltage really stomped a few clowns here.

Absolute massacre by Voltage

It is really sad wallahi and makes me somewhat think of myself as foolish. I debated a troll whose inferiority complex is the size of Jupiter. By sheer force they want to inject themselves into history that has never recorded their presence.

None of what they say is corroborated by anyone save the folktales of the former peasants who were kept out of the city gates, yet everything I have said have had Arabic, French, English, Abyssinian, etc sources from the Futah Al Habesha to 17th and 19th century European writers who built on the written history and sources after.

There are folk tales and real tales. That troll now understands the difference.

[HippoTT]

Voltage really stomped a few clowns here.

Absolute massacre by Voltage

It is really sad wallahi and makes me somewhat think of myself as foolish. I debated a troll whose inferiority complex is the size of Jupiter. By sheer force they want to inject themselves into history that has never recorded their presence.

None of what they say is corroborated by anyone save the folktales of the former peasants who were kept out of the city gates, yet everything I have said have had Arabic, French, English, Abyssinian, etc sources from the Futah Al Habesha to 17th and 19th century European writers who built on the written history and sources after.

There are folk tales and real tales. That troll now understands the difference.

True brother, I think you shouldnnt have backlashed on the Oromos so hard, most of them are good people, one deluded fool wont change that. Remember we are the rightful custodians and descendants of Zeila, Mogadishu, Merka, Barawa, Luuq, Amud, Abasa, Berbera, Obbia, Taleeh, Kismayu, Alula, all famous renowned cities with centuries of history. We built empires and kingdoms the size of western europe, used our boats to do trade around the world for milleniums. We have the best beaches, the best dunes, the best woodlands, the most serene mountains, we are truly blessed, and should be thankful of the legacy we have inherited from our forefathers, a great landmass indeed. Harar is just 1 city, populated by the lovely Hararis but heavily influenced through centuries by Somali rulers, commanders, sheikhs and traders. Our siege of the city was as recent as 1977, other than a symbol of finally destroying the modern Abyssinian kingdom, the city really doesn't matter much to average Somali person.

[Voltage]

^I made that more than apparent to the troll sxb.

Bareento, I neither want nor care about Harar today when I am looking towards Mogadishu and Kismaayo. We are talking about history here whose only mention you have with respect to the history of Harar we are talking about is when a Marehan Emir of the Adal Empire built a gate that kept peasants like you out. From French to Arabic to indigenous established history, you come in nowhere into the picture beyond as peasants who were kept out by a gate. Now you can yap all you want, but that is how history recorded you.

Don't get it twisted.

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