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Channel 4 News: Somalia's tragedy (video)

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Channel 4 news has discovered that far from offering them protection - the western backed authorities in Mogadishu are turning a blind eye to a catalogue of rapes and abuse by local militia

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mahiga's ministers and the dud president only do what they are told so they are not blame.
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While millions is being spent building barricades and armored personals to protect Villa Somalia, the struggling famine/rape victims are left defenseless since it seems ex-TFG trained soldier/ turned Mooryaan are coming down hard on them with impunity.

And some are actually boosting about the very police who are said to be the actual abusers of these victims parading about dusty Mogadishu... that to me is even more tragic.
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I just watched the video. Interesting. Its shocking to think how much money and energy people from Bay/Bakool areas invest to reach Xamar for basic services, you'd imagine that a big city in those regions could cater to their needs, or some sort of oasis in those regions that people could live off of during bad seasons. I wonder why people don't just migrate to the rivers, there's water there year-round. And why is it those 2 regions that are synonymous with suffering? They aren't more crowded than other regions, and in fact are far better off than most when it comes to both security and available immediate resources.
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Because most of the people migrating are the poor and downtrodden who don't have the tools to effect change in the status quo.
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union wrote:^
Because most of the people migrating are the poor and downtrodden who don't have the tools to effect change in the status quo.
Did you read my full statement? A lot of these families pay upwards of $10,000 to flee their situation. That's a lot of money. It isn't free to flee. Most of these people are not poor and have property and livestock; most sold their homes and animals to get to Xamar or further north - some even built hotels upon arriving in Ceelasha Biyaha. They aren't fleeing war, which makes it much easier to remain and survive by upgrading technologically or rebuilding in a better environment nearby. For the same amount of money they could build a well, or relocate to an area with a well or a river and rebuild homes. Much poorer people in their situation have sufficed in their situation. I'm trying to find out the most logical reason why the migration option is more convenient when the alternative costs the same amount of money (or possibly less) and carries far less risks.
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Monk-of-Mogadishu wrote:
union wrote:^
Because most of the people migrating are the poor and downtrodden who don't have the tools to effect change in the status quo.
Did you read my full statement? A lot of these families pay upwards of $10,000 to flee their situation. That's a lot of money. It isn't free to flee. Most of these people are not poor and have property and livestock; most sold their homes and animals to get to Xamar or further north - some even built hotels upon arriving in Ceelasha Biyaha. They aren't fleeing war, which makes it much easier to remain and survive by upgrading technologically or rebuilding in a better environment nearby. For the same amount of money they could build a well, or relocate to an area with a well or a river and rebuild homes. Much poorer people in their situation have sufficed in their situation. I'm trying to find out the most logical reason why the migration option is more convenient when the alternative costs the same amount of money (or possibly less) and carries far less risks.
Most of the people in these camps are dirt poor and probably walked most of the way to Mogadishu. I don't know where you get your facts from, but you make it seem as if their pockets are bursting at the seams with cash. You do realize what the per capita income is in Somalia, correct? Until recently I also was insensitive to their plight and had the "let them eat cake" mentality as if these people were to blame for their situation because of incompetence or lack of initiative, but I realized that I can never empathize with their situation or understand all the perils they have to live with. My family fled from the region and my remaining relatives are sustained only through monthly remittances, so its hypocritical and improper for me or any other diaspora somali to simplify the situation or try to judge these people who were unable to come to the west and don't have relatives sending them money from abroad. I highly doubt that there problems could be solved simply by digging a well and waiting for water to gush fourth like hagar, or just setting camp next to a river and expecting everything to be fine and dandy.
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Monk-of-Mogadishu wrote:
union wrote:^
Because most of the people migrating are the poor and downtrodden who don't have the tools to effect change in the status quo.
Did you read my full statement? A lot of these families pay upwards of $10,000 to flee their situation. That's a lot of money. It isn't free to flee. Most of these people are not poor and have property and livestock; most sold their homes and animals to get to Xamar or further north - some even built hotels upon arriving in Ceelasha Biyaha. They aren't fleeing war, which makes it much easier to remain and survive by upgrading technologically or rebuilding in a better environment nearby. For the same amount of money they could build a well, or relocate to an area with a well or a river and rebuild homes. Much poorer people in their situation have sufficed in their situation. I'm trying to find out the most logical reason why the migration option is more convenient when the alternative costs the same amount of money (or possibly less) and carries far less risks.
You're absolutely right. These people deserve to suffer because they're lazy and stupid. They should just drink the river water and eat all that spare cash they have lying around if they're that hungry.
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