Contrary to UN guidelines, Israel refuses asylum to Somalis

[Voltage]

Poor Yemen takes in a quarter million Somali refugees with open arms and never turning away one while Israel rejects the first Somalis to ever apply Asylum there.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/ne ... s-1.390164

[Coeus]

Idiots, who the fuck goes to Israel. Abohod wasoyin such idiots, they escape from Al shabab and take refugee in Yahuudi land

Im happy they were refused Asylum

[qoraxeey]

bisinkaa ...why seek asylum in the zionist state

they slaughter our muslim ppl aka palestinas

[Voltage]

Desperate people will do anything, let's not judge them. But the point is despite the state of Somalia and despite specific UNHCR recommendations and despite the fact that after 20 years of civil war, these four Somalis are the first to ever ask asylum there Israel's Interior Ministry said go back to Mogadishu.

[Coeus]

Desperate people will do anything, let's not judge them. But the point is despite the state of Somalia and despite specific UNHCR recommendations and despite the fact that after 20 years of civil war, these four Somalis are the first to ever ask asylum there Israel's Interior Ministry said go back to Mogadishu.

And rightfully so. Have some pride man. These people burnt their country, im not anti southern somalis, but they really find new ways to drag the Somali name down all the time. This is f-king disgusting, and it would even be worse, if they were accepted. Somalia never recognised Israel, it opposed Israel since our Indipendence.We shouldnt expect ANY help from their goverment.

SMH why couldnt they just stay with Al shabab or be in Dadaab. f-king lowlives.

[Voltage]

You just sound like some immature prick wallahi. While you are safe in Sweden, do you have any idea what might have led these Somalis to flee and even go to Israel of all places? Stop being so damn judgmental and keep your insidious opinions to yourself if at the least you can't find some little part of you that might have sympathy for what fellow Somalis brutalized by 20 years of war, disease, and famine might be going through.

The last thing a refugee Somali should be doing is being judgmental towards other Somali refugees.

[abdisamad3]

a muslim seeking asylum in israel is like a jew seeking asylum in 1930's nazi germany,

[Grant]

Didn't anybody read the article?

There are 20 Somalis currently living in asylum in Israel. This guys case got messed up because they decided to begin investigating each individual separately and the inexperienced committee used outdated UN guidelines. His case made the news because it is under appeal and will almost certainly be won.

[Cali_Gaab]

These people burnt their country, im not anti southern somalis,

Why would you even make that statement if you portray to be the biggest nationalist on this forum? I mean, you were already doing a crap job at it, this will drag you back even further.

[Voltage]

Grant, apparently you didn't. The article says there are estimated twenty Somalis living in Israel, not asylum. I don't know how they reached that estimate (could be a small guess since the numbers would be that small) but they could be many types of immigrants. Not all Somalis seek resettlement/residency through asylum. And there is nothing "inexperienced' about the committee. They went out of their way not only to judge Somali refugees by individual cases (though the UNHCR gives a strict guideline against and also the European Commission on Human Rights has ruled against this) but also to deny them even after judging them individually with a specific recommendation to give asylum by UNHCR office in Israel.

Nice try with the spin.

[Beans]

I didnt read the article

Israel never played by any one`s rules.

[Grant]

"The opinion on which the ministry’s decision was based was prepared by staff at the Interior Ministry. It was not compiled independently but was copied from three sources.

The first was based on instructions from the British Home Office, which states that it is possible to return Somali citizens to their home country. In June 2011, the European Court of Human Rights issued a ruling on the Somali issue, rejecting that British policy.The second source was the opinion of the UNHCR from April 2009 − even though there was a clear, more recent recommendation from May 2010.

The 2009 opinion dealt with 60,000 displaced persons from different parts of Somalia. “The Interior Ministry selected in its ‘opinion’ to quote a single paragraph from a long report, failing to reveal to the advisory committee what the rest of the report states,” according to the asylum seekers’ appeal.

For example, they did not tell the committee that the UNHCR recommended, in the same report, that refugees not be allowed to return to Mogadishu.

The third source from which the opinion’s authors quoted was another UN report, from February 2009, according to which 40,000 internally displaced persons returned to Mogadishu. This time they did quote the warning about the danger of returning to Mogadishu, but they did not use the parts which said there were 1.3 million internally-displaced persons in Somalia, and that the number of Somali refugees in various countries nears 450,000."

What's the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee? This article is two years old, but still represents the situation adequately.

http://www.bartamaha.com/?p=2915

[Voltage]

I think I took that excerpt into consideration when I penned my response to you.

[union]

At least they have the chance of appeal before a court of law. Israeli courts are known for their equanimity and most likely the asylum seekers will win their case.

[Grant]

Volt,

You are in a seriously bad mood this morning.

To me, the Ha'aretz article reads darn near like an apology, and the Bartamaha article explains what has been going on across that border. I predict the lawyers will win the appeal.