Who Won The Somali Civil War?

[dagameison]

Lets start with Casualties?

Hawiye is no 1 on here. They've lost millions of people of people for the past 21 years. Isaaq will follow next who lost quite a considerable in 88-94-and on-going wars with puntland somewhere around 50-60 thousand mark. Rahanweyn lost up to half a million since 91 till today. Darods lost the least amount from 1991 till today. little skermishes here and there like kismayo battle and few thousands in 91-93 war I wouldn't say anymore then 5-10 thousand at tops if even that.

What about Political Success Who's gain the most?

I think this one is hard to assess. From 1991-2004 its pretty much been a hawiye game. I think the darods will win eventually with the correct politics happening especially with federalism and strong punt to the north and strong azania to the south and we been getting our president or pm spot in hamar and have our regional mamuls in punt, nfd, ogadenia, now azania. I think rahanweynes are also winners with controlling the parliament which is where shit gets decided. Isaaqs are the major losers no recognition for 20 years and none coming anytime soon and they don't really have much in the tfg and with federalism they are going to be winners.

Peace and Stability
Isaaqs have this hands down its relatively peaceful and stable with not much skermishes. 2nd would be Darods can get a bit excited but quickly dies down due to strong isimos. The most troublesome city is kismayo and this a video of it couple of years ago and looks ok to me lacks investment for obvious reasons abdiwahab next door


The third spot would go to rahanweyns and the last the hawiye.

Development, Living Standards, Business
I think this would go to darods Bosaso is definitely the business hub of Somalia and has huge developments happening private and infrasructure. Other darod cities arent that bad to as far as living standards is concerned but their isnt much development happening there either with the exception of garissa, las anod, and small extent badhan which ironically all have some sort of mamul. Gedo/jubba is doing the worst but I think Azania will change that. After that will be isaaqs mainly hargeisa and burco with hargeisa having business but living standard is where they fall to the ground as far as im concerned. Development is very far and between its only weekly u hear new masharic but every 3 months if that. Rahanweynes havent really done much with baydhabo due to abdiwahab being close by to destroy it. And last spot is hawiye mogadishu speaks for itself and the exodus happening there.

So I think in most categories the Darods have won this war. Have their own regional mamuls, still big part of the tfg with either the no 1 or 2 posts and their cities arent doing all that bad either. One thing though is stability is not at par with somaliland.

Isaaqs have lost out politically no recognition coming ever and in the tfg they are nothing, living standards are really bad but it has vibrant business community in hargeisa and development is not that much but over 20 years with a project here and there every three months they managed to make hargeisa look good burco however is ugly to me. But they win hands down with peace thats where they really outshined the rest of somalia.

The hawiye oh my favourite mr abdiwahab. An absolute failure in all aspects of peace, development, living standards. Politically you still lose even if ur president of a tfg government because federalism its based on regions and hawiye only have 4 where darod have 7. And even ur 4 regions u will be sub-divided into two regions because u need 2 gobols to form a mamul. So u will come into the federal parliament with 2 states covering each one covering 2 regions of somalia, Darod will come with 2 states of somalia one covering 2 regions of jubba/gedo the other puntland bari/mudug/nugal/sool/sanag. 7 regions. We will have 40% stake in the parliament. We will just use rahanweyne who will have two states to swing in our favor for anything we want u will need to get not only rahanweyn but isaaq combined to get majority in parliament

[union]

One of the great satisfactions I get from the civil war is the calamity and misfortune that has befallen our opponents. My clan may have been dethroned and its political dominance diminished, but the lesser tribes who leagued against us can never argue that they are better off today than they were under us, unless of course they wish to be in denial of reality.

[ultratribalism]

The most ignorant idiot on here,who said hawiye have only 4 gobols when they live in mudug,galgaduud,banadir,hiiraan,both shabelle and both jubbas as well as in ethiopia?? the entire puntland cant compete with xamar both militarily,politically and economically let alone the rest.

[sadeboi]

One of the most jahil topics on here ever...union for such a lover of secularism and Western values you sure missed the courses on the ENLIGHTENMENT.

[ToughGong]

One of the most jahil topics on here ever...union for such a lover of secularism and Western values you sure missed the courses on the ENLIGHTENMENT.

[XaliimoFarax]

One of the most jahil topics on here ever...union for such a lover of secularism and Western values you sure missed the courses on the ENLIGHTENMENT.

[Based]

One of the great satisfactions I great from the civil war is the calamity and misfortune that has befallen our opponents. My clan may have been dethroned and its political dominance diminished, but the lesser tribes who leagued against us can never argue that they are better off today than they were under us, unless of course they wish to be in denial of reality.

Well said

As for the rest of you ingrates, continue deluding yourselves with talk of your clan's "progress" while living as parasitic refugees in foreign lands. You've literally condemned yourselves to gypsydom.

[dagameison]

The most ignorant idiot on here,who said hawiye have only 4 gobols when they live in mudug,galgaduud,banadir,hiiraan,both shabelle and both jubbas as well as in ethiopia?? the entire puntland cant compete with xamar both militarily,politically and economically let alone the rest.

Darod live in bakool, galguud, and pretty much every state. Meeshan waxa laga hadleya majority. U aint a majority anywhere other then banadir-galgudud-shabellaha(thats big iffy)-hiran. Just cause u have few abdis and alis living in other gobols dont mean u own it.

Were talking about where u are majority is where ur state will be. Sxb u lose out in federalism becase ur only majority in 4 states. if u wanna talk about where ur ali and abdis lives I can also and trust me u wont win either. sxb just ogadenia is 10 million plus 3 million in puntland plus 1.8 million in jubboyinka. Its all backed up with sources!!!! your talking about hawiye who will be lucky to be 3 million. ur an idiot

The only significance u have is mogadishu not population sxb, you have the capital city hence the government seat without it u'd be in the wilderness like ur sxbs in galmudug-ximan-dahir aways do u see any of them meeting presidents around the world? nope but I am with magaca puntland you cant with magac hawiye u can only do with magaca hamr which is capital and any clan could do that if they lived as majority in that city. But ur clans weakness is seen in regions where ur nothing and im something imagine if i had hamar?

[abgaalKING]

It doesnt matter,the fact that we live there is significant,the non-daaroods(rahanweyn,hawiye,dir,jareer what what ever) that live in jubba form the majority.if somalialnd gets recognition which we hawiye and dir will work on it,they will have a state favorable to hawiye and what no they have awdal,waqooyi galbeed,sool and sanaag,all these regions will come under somaliland.the hawiye will dominate what is beneath kalgacyo.we will use the mogadishu to enrich our selves and dont really care about puntland,we will share it with who ever tickles our fancy. even in population wise,xamar has more population than puntland.

[dagameison]

abgalking your bitter man so bitter

[Cumar-Labasuul]

dagameison/Cusmano

[fighter]

Smh so Bosaso is now the economic centre and the business hub of Somalia?

What next, Bosaso is the centre of commerce in all of Africa?

No one in Africa or the world knows or cares about Bosaso. Its insignificant at home in Somalia or abroad.

The level of bias in every sentence and word written is outstanding.

There is more economic activity in Karan than in Bosaso. That's the truth.

Walahi these people always act so proud and have their noses so far up the air its sickening.

Hawiye lost millions of people? Millions? Where is your proof? Show reputable sources that claim millions of Hawiyes have been killed by the war. Don't post some Darod news website.

Its funny how these people always talk about how highly they are but they are always the ones to be represented the most in jails when it comes to the Somali population in both Canada and the US. They always produce the women who either leave the deen, insult the deen in public for fame and to further their career as well as engage in premarital sex and shame the Somali name. Then they have the audacity to insult Hawiye.

Honestly, why do you people so proudly with your selves. None of you people have produced any intellectuals or business leaders. Its always consistly the Hawiye, Isaaq and even Dir.

The biggest companies have been made by Hawiyes and Isaaqs.

All they can bring up is their 30 year dictator who killed innocent people and favored his own clan.

They have no accomplishments. All they do is look down on others with their nose.

Only accomplishments I know are that I've never seen a girl whose a whore not from that clan. Pat yourselves on the back and give yourselves a round of applause for that.

[anonymousfaarax]

This dagameisom character is just trolling

[UlteriorMotive]

No one won. We all lost. All the regions of the former Somali Republic are under Ethiopian sphere of influence. Ethiopia says jump and the TFG/PL/SL/ASWJ/JVA all push each to be the first one to leap.

Ahhh the sweet taste of victory.

[whitehartlane]

fighter: are you sure the somali name is being shamed by darood??? first of all that is a very very bold claim to make, no matter what qabiil you are, let alone as a hawiye person...

mr fighter, i will not say unnecessary stuff about your people, but u better check yourself saaxib,
as for the the person who posted this bullshit...not only are you an attention seeking name changing shit face but you are also an embarrassment and a liability to beesha, one advise, calm da phuk down...


ps.
mogadishu might not be the same as it was, but saaxibayaal mogadishus gdp whilst in a war zone is in fact higher than bosaso and hargeysa combined.. anyone from these 2 places claiming overshadowing xamar is seriously living in a balloon made out of denial....