Ex-Ivory Coast president Gbagbo in the ICC!

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Re: Ex-Ivory Coast president Gbagbo in the ICC!

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The poor fools only crime was to stand up to the banksters.

Here is the lesson guys, listen carefully it doesnt matter if you are a christain or a muslim.
If you get in the way of the banksters you will be fukked.
charges will be concocted for you, and they will try to get you anyway they can.

Gbagbos enemy who is now running Cote d'ivoir alhassan outara is a muslim, and so are his fighters and backers.


but he is also working for the banskters, he used to work for the IMF.
and they are very happy with him.

The only way you can escape the clutches of the banksters is if you are a big and powerfull country like China, India, Brazil, Japan
or if you are too crazy and well armed like North Korea, or Eritrea.
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Re: Ex-Ivory Coast president Gbagbo in the ICC!

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gurey25 wrote:The poor fools only crime was to stand up to the banksters.

Here is the lesson guys, listen carefully it doesnt matter if you are a christain or a muslim.
If you get in the way of the banksters you will be fukked.
charges will be concocted for you, and they will try to get you anyway they can.

Gbagbos enemy who is now running Cote d'ivoir alhassan outara is a muslim, and so are his fighters and backers.


but he is also working for the banskters, he used to work for the IMF.
and they are very happy with him.

The only way you can escape the clutches of the banksters is if you are a big and powerfull country like China, India, Brazil, Japan
or if you are too crazy and well armed like North Korea, or Eritrea.
This is Gbagbo propaganda. He didn't stand up to anything. Ivory Coast got HIGH marks from the IMF and was actually credited for following structural adjustment and following through with reforms. Gbagbo's old finance minister won an award for banker of the year from the IMF :lol: . The IMF had no problem with Cote D'Ivoire. In fact the local cocoa manufacturing industry was getting destroyed under Gbagbo. This is empty sloganeery used to motivate jobless youth along ethnic/religious lines like when Kenyan leaders scream about the West after they got charged in the ICC( even though Kenya is a major Western ally in East Africa). Gbagbo only used these tired slogans once the election result and his power was in doubt. The guy used to be an opposition candidate who had the peoples support/ was jailed/ and used to always talk about anticolonialism but as soon as he got in power all that flew out the window. Read his actual policy moves not the rhetoric. His problems with the French were not even about France specifically but about a specific political party in France. He had close links with the French opposition, he was close with the Americans, and the rest of Europe.


The guy rolled the dice, and lost his political game of chess. The French took advantage of the situation but this is a political conflict not a financial one.
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he rolled the dice alright.

but you are wrong it is about money, mostly french money in this case.

he has threatened to nationalize banks in cote d'ivior
mostly fronts for french banks
http://www.france24.com/en/20110218-lau ... my-savings

He has also refused to pay IMF loans..
and he has curtailed some IMF austerity programs.


This is liable to get you OFFED.

politically..
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Gurey read when that article is dated. He made these threats way after the election and when he was barely hanging on to power. The guy was a smart politician and he tried that move as a way to get more local support and look like a martyr to an international plot. He was in power since 2000. I'm talking about his economic policy for the decade he was in power, not when he was in crisis after a lost election.

Read this from 2010

Charles Kofy Diby, Cote d'Ivoire Economy and Finance Minister will receive the "Finance Minister of the Year for Africa" from The Banker Magazine on 12th February in London in the presence of the Cote d'Ivoire Prime Minister, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Minister of Construction, Minister of Infrastructure and Minister of African Integration.

From 2002 to 2008 Cote d'Ivoire suffered as a result of political unrest and loan defaults. However by December 2008 Cote d'Ivoire had cleared arrears to the World Bank and qualified for debt relief under the multilateral Heavily Indebted Poor Countries Initiative.

In March 2009 the IMF confirmed a $556 million IMF loan package. The IMF praised "the new economic programme and establishing a foundation for growth and higher living standards for Cote d'Ivoire's 19 million people".
http://www.marketwire.com/press-release ... 115645.htm
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interesting, but how do you explain the french grudge against him?

it cant be just becuase of those french peacekeepers killed?
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gurey25 wrote:interesting, but how do you explain the french grudge against him?

it cant be just becuase of those french peacekeepers killed?


The French hostility is a confined one that can be understood in terms of politics. Gbagbo was close to the French opposition, the French Socialist party and he was closely allied to them when he was in exile from Cote D'Ivoire. Back in 2000 he came to power through a wave of popular support against a General who controlled CIV through a coup. Te French actually gave legitimacy to Gbagbo's presidency then, when many wanted him to contest elections that allowed all the Ivorian political parties to take part. Ouattara and others Northerners were always shut out from elections through the Ivorite concept where they tried to say Northerners aren't real Ivorians. The French gave Gbagbo diplomatic cover in the early 2000's so he doesn't have to run elections and said he was the legitimate leader of Ivory Coast. It's ironic because he has to thank the French he was allowed to stay in power in the first place.

All this time Ouattara and the Northerners were always shut out of Ivorian politics. This eventually turned into a rebellion and the coup in 2002 that started the first war. Gbagbo tries to make this look like a French plot but that is nonsense. French policy wasn't fully defending him when Jacques Chirac's party won back the parliament and his socialist friends weren't in power anymore, so Gbagbo used them as a target to keep himself in power. Their relations eventually deteriorated when Gbagbo's men began targeting the French living in CIV and the peacekeepers were killed. This is all a sideshow to the real story of CIV politics, which was always just a battle of elites trying to keep power.

Gbagbo also had an issue with Chirac specifically. When Sarkozy defeated Chirac, Gbagbo welcomed it. The French with links to Sarkozy even signed more deals with Gbagbo then, and got to control Abidjan port. African politicians are cunning man, and Gbagbo is a smart guy, a professor of history. He knew how to manipulate popular discontent to save himself, but his actual dealings don't support his rhetoric.
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