Egyptian parliament holds first session

[wolf424]

A legislature dominated by religious fanatics and heavily divided along ideological lines is bound to fail in leading Egypt toward the freedom and prosperity demanded by the Tahrir square protestors. It will be interesting to see what the Muslim Brotherhood and the salafis legislate in the coming weeks and months-perhaps we will see shariah law implemented in all its gory glory, or perhaps some zealous salafi lawmaker will submit a motion to destroy the pyramids because they are "shirk"...who knows? the possibilities are endless with the parties of God.

[Kukri]

Nothing will come out of this so called Muslim brotherhood. Egypt is still controlled by the military and their first priority is to safeguard the holly-land and the chosen children of God. If Israel gives its blessing to the Muslim-brotherhood then it will be worth looking at what they will legislate but as things stand its nothing more than a bubble that is bound to burst.

From the Nile to the Euphrates.... Coming to a cinema near you!

[grandpakhalif]

I hate ikhwaanul-muslimoon those damn sectarians who split from the jamacah of the muslims. And this fake "Salafi" group is equally as bad.

They should've never protested in the first place.

[Kukri]

^^you hate them because your pay check depend on it.

[Colonel]

Mashallah 70% of egyptians voted for the Islamic parties, it is quite clear that secularism is dead and buries in North Africa and may it never return.

Seeing so many beards in the assembly brings joy o the hurt, I hope that the Muslim brotherhood does not create a unity gov with Seculars! Dealing with the salafi can be tricky as well but it seems that the Egyptian salafis are different to the salafi jadiid. For now it's wait and see, may real shari'a be the law of Egypt.

I hate ikhwaanul-muslimoon those damn sectarians who split from the jamacah of the muslims. And this fake "Salafi" group is equally as bad.

They should've never protested in the first place.

The protest is long over, were they wrong to take part in the elections? Would you rather be ruled by Seculars?

[grandpakhalif]

There will be many problems, I hope these dogs ikhwaanul muslimuun fail, voting is haram, khuruuj against the ruler is haram, demonstrating is haram. These dogs will do anything to seek power.

[Rainbows]

There will be many problems, I hope these dogs ikhwaanul muslimuun fail, voting is haram, khuruuj against the ruler is haram, demonstrating is haram. These dogs will do anything to seek power.

[grandpakhalif]

Alhamdullilah the military council will preside over these fake-salafis and this evil hisbi ikhwanuul muslimoon. Maybe they will go after the true salafis.

[Colonel]

Alhamdullilah the military council will preside over these fake-salafis and this evil hisbi ikhwanuul muslimoon. Maybe they will go after the true salafis.

Intensified trolling spotted.

[SheikhExecutive]

Masha'Allah I have never seen so many beards in on parliament, Insha'Allah our Somalia will one day see an end to secular politicians.

[wolf424]

The good thing is that Egypt is a democracy now, and if the big beards drive the people to the brink of insanity like they have in Somalia they'll be thrown out. Maybe then the Egyptians will be sensible enough to elect secular politicians.

[Jaidi]

The good thing is that Egypt is a democracy now, and if the big beards drive the people to the brink of insanity like they have in Somalia they'll be thrown out. Maybe then the Egyptians will be sensible enough to elect secular politicians.

This is a tired trope my God. What secular polticians? The Egyptians are voting with the alternatives at hand. So called seculars include the remnants of Mubarak's NDP party and the traditional opposition long ago discredited for collaborating with Mubaraks regime. That leaves a very small faction to choose from, much of who have not provided any relevant platforms and haven't even tried to compete effectively to gain votes. Its a widely accepted fact, even by Western sources that the most coherent political platforms and the most organized campaigns came from the Brotherhood, as well as the Nour Party. Stop trying to make some sort of parallel to the "secularism" debate in the West, in a widely different context.

[wolf424]

The good thing is that Egypt is a democracy now, and if the big beards drive the people to the brink of insanity like they have in Somalia they'll be thrown out. Maybe then the Egyptians will be sensible enough to elect secular politicians.

This is a tired trope my God. What secular polticians? The Egyptians are voting with the alternatives at hand. So called seculars include the remnants of Mubarak's NDP party and the traditional opposition long ago discredited for collaborating with Mubaraks regime. That leaves a very small faction to choose from, much of who have not provided any relevant platforms and haven't even tried to compete effectively to gain votes. Its a widely accepted fact, even by Western sources that the most coherent political platforms and the most organized campaigns came from the Brotherhood, as well as the Nour Party. Stop trying to make some sort of parallel to the "secularism" debate in the West, in a widely different context.

You try to associate secular groups with Mubarak, but you fail to mention that it was largely liberal and secular youth who lead the protests that resulted in his demise. These Islamists steeped out of the shadow after victory had been won and were able to achieve electoral success largely because they called upon decades of groundwork rather than presenting any "platforms" that were superior to those of the secular/liberal parties who didn't have a headstart. The Muslim Brotherhood has for now gone into stealth mode with regards to its Islamism, they're respecting the secular status quo, but if they steer too far off the path I trust there will be political repercussions. The Salafis are not as competent as the Muslim Brotherhood, most of their members were the ones shouting during the swearing in ceremony, so It'll be interesting to see what they do next..Also, don't bullshit me with the whole "it's a different context" bla bla bla, it's held over time and geography that when religion is mixed with politics shit hits the fan.

[Jaidi]

The good thing is that Egypt is a democracy now, and if the big beards drive the people to the brink of insanity like they have in Somalia they'll be thrown out. Maybe then the Egyptians will be sensible enough to elect secular politicians.

This is a tired trope my God. What secular polticians? The Egyptians are voting with the alternatives at hand. So called seculars include the remnants of Mubarak's NDP party and the traditional opposition long ago discredited for collaborating with Mubaraks regime. That leaves a very small faction to choose from, much of who have not provided any relevant platforms and haven't even tried to compete effectively to gain votes. Its a widely accepted fact, even by Western sources that the most coherent political platforms and the most organized campaigns came from the Brotherhood, as well as the Nour Party. Stop trying to make some sort of parallel to the "secularism" debate in the West, in a widely different context.

You try to associate secular groups with Mubarak, but you fail to mention that it was largely liberal and secular youth who lead the protests that resulted in his demise. These Islamists steeped out of the shadow after victory had been won and were able to achieve electoral success largely because they called upon decades of groundwork rather than presenting any "platforms" that were superior to those of the secular/liberal parties who didn't have a headstart. The Muslim Brotherhood has for now gone into stealth mode with regards to its Islamism, they're respecting the secular status quo, but if they steer too far off the path I trust there will be political repercussions. The Salafis are not as competent as the Muslim Brotherhood, most of their members were the ones shouting during the swearing in ceremony, so It'll be interesting to see what they do next..Also, don't bullshit me with the whole "it's a different context" bla bla bla, it's held over time and geography that when religion is mixed with politics shit hits the fan.

More tropes. The uprising was only successful because it included a plurality of Egyptians. To try to pass of the entire 15 day affair as entirely liberal and secular one is your obvious spin. In fact I can easily bring back photos of the uprising that include within it the same bearded man you are trying to fearmonger with. Following the general uprising,attempts to restart protests for different purposes largely *failed* because they did not appeal to the same crossection of the Egyptian public that January 25th initially did. Also your reading on the Brotherhood's platform can easily be contradicted by a three second search. They presented a political and economic platform that was more coherent than any of their opposition parties have. This was acknowledged analysts from places like the Brookings Institute. Unless you suggest such a thinktank has a covert Islamist agenda, you are again off the mark. I already referred to their superiority in groundwork, so Im not sure why you are repeating my point. There is no parallel to Somalia so save me your poorly thought out generalities.

If your contention is with the youth being unrepresented this extends to opposition "secular" politicians as well, who can't claim they were behind the uprising either. If its matter of authenticity the same politicians you are referring to fail the test.

[wolf424]

More tropes. The uprising was only successful because it included a plurality of Egyptians. To try to pass of the entire 15 day affair as entirely liberal and secular one is your obvious spin. In fact I can easily bring back photos of the uprising that include within it the same bearded man you are trying to fearmonger with. Following the general uprising,attempts to restart protests for different purposes largely *failed* because they did not appeal to the same crossection of the Egyptian public that January 25th initially did.

The Muslim Brotherhood and the Isalmists crowd jumped on the bandwagon after it became clear that Mubarak was not going to survive the uprising politically. Even after they joined in, The Muslim Brotherhood did not play a prominent role although they had a formidable political machine that could have easily mobilized millions. It is only correct and proper to point out that the largely liberal and secular youth were the ones who started the movement and contributed to it disproportionately. This is fact and not my "obvious spin".

Also your reading on the Brotherhood's platform can easily be contradicted by a three second search. They presented a political and economic platform that was more coherent than any of their opposition parties have. This was acknowledged analysts from places like the Brookings Institute. Unless you suggest such a thinktank has a covert Islamist agenda, you are again off the mark. I already referred to their superiority in groundwork, so Im not sure why you are repeating my point. There is no parallel to Somalia so save me your poorly thought out generalities.

Saying whether or not The Muslim Brotherhood has a "coherent platform" or not is subjective. I personally don't believe so, but you as a Islamist sympathizer and some leftist scholars at the Brooking Institute do. If I did a "three second search", i could easily have run into analysis from The Heritage Foundation which probably would not have reached the same conclusion as the Brookings Institute. It's all opinion really. What is FACT is that millions of Egyptians voted for The Muslim Brotherhood largely out of loyalty because of the years of groundwork they had been laying in Egypt's poorer areas. That's the point I was trying to communicate to you. The Muslim Brotherhood is just one of the Islamist parties who won big, you conveniently keep forgetting the salafis whose only platform seemed to be "quran and sunnah are the answers to all our problems", and with just that they scored around 20% of the vote. I don't think Egyptian voters really were analyzing the platforms of political parties except superficially, and the recent vote seemed to be more a referendum against Mubarak.

If your contention is with the youth being unrepresented this extends to opposition "secular" politicians as well, who can't claim they were behind the uprising either. If its matter of authenticity the same politicians you are referring to fail the test.

My only contention is that The Muslim Brotherhood and the salafis are snakes, the former silent and stealthy and the latter not so much.