how can i save this guy?

[sahal80]

Enough with mudulood pacifism fairy tales.because of MSB clan politics,Habargidir Today reside in one tuulo in hiiraan ,MSB did it for creating clan tension ,he could simply added that tuulo to galgaduud. gaaljecel and habargidir are more a challange to xawadle then Mudulood. the emergence of phantom states like gal-hiiran should be enough to make my point across.we believe in xawaadle being the only power broker in hiiraan.those who wreaked havoc on baladweyne and mogadishu should be kept at bay what ever they claim to be.

im not traying to shift the blame of xamar war onto any group else, i would just say it was the wealth that was behid the habargidir vs xawaadle war in xamar, i did my research and enabled me to make a sense of that. for the three years that we were being allies it was hawadle who benefited the most having the port and the airport, even the marka port, they have done something really worthwhile. also, the money that was donated to liberate baladwayne were from our qandaraas with the UN. engineer mohamoud abdi gaab the nowadays president of hiiraan state had became a millioner these years, he had all the qandraas serves, he brought all the cars they need from worldwide and he was the man who paid $250,000 for baladweyne libration that why they elected him in return of the favor. what was wrong with habargidir was that after the xamar war, they have behaved like a worm and cut us dead from kismaayo, marka to hiiraan. we were scattered in evrywhere and werent worrying too much from our behinds.obviously hawadle have learnt alot more, cleaning them from hiiraan including habargidir natives of baladwayne and making them suffer to travell through hiiraan and establishing many regional allies in wich mudulood are the first, given us a new lease of life.
http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archi ... me-cl.html

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How many clans live in Hiran?

[sahal80]

How many clans live in Hiran?

evry where there many clans but, xawadle are in hiiraan just like ogadeen are in somaligalbeed, the majority.

[Somaliman50]

yeah thats right, lakin why is the hiraan community, especially the people of east beledweyne, strong supporters of sharif ahmed? infact they have considerable amount of members in the daljir/islaah faction? maxaad ka odhan lahayd sxb

There are Two Reasons why Mudulood And Xawaadle Support Each Other.

1.Familial Ties and a historic peaceful co-existance which still exists till today.
2.Mudulood Accepts,Recognizes,Lobbies For Hawaadle Soveriegnty Over Hiiraan.We will always Side With Xawaadle on the issue of Hiiraan and we firmly believe that This Decision also benefits our Mudulood Brothers in hiiraan-Ujeejeen.

We Supported Them During USC/SNA Raid on Baladweyne,which was illegal and Immoral invasion by a War Criminal.We basically Aided Them in cleaning up their City and we will do it in the future.Xawaadle soverignty Over Hiiraan benefits us.

1. hawaadle are closer in settlement with the HG and murusade clans, mudulood (except udeejeen) are based towards the coast. familial ties mean nothing, the mudulood are blood brothers of HG yet they are closer to murusade and hawaadle because of socio-politics. the entire civil war was based around the aideed-mahdi feud yet the hawaadle clan were the only honest facilitators. but sadly hiraab did not take heed of this and the fragmentation of USC unity began, i.e. SSA, SNA, PM etc.
2. beledweyne is one of the most important towns on the somali peninsula for many reasons, but it is different from mogadiscio. beledweyne borders ethiopia (allbeit the fake colonial border) so for you to call for clan domination in that town as opposed to unity, is what prevents that town from keeping guard of its true enemy (ethiopia).

sahal, i respect osoble siyaad, and all clans should adopt unity, all this 'tolkaa dhinac karaac' undermines somaliya iyo wadajirkeeda. but to correct you, cabdulahi ciise was an syl heavyweight, he was allied to aden cadde and was the only politician who remained in cabinet throughout the democracy era. snc was the project of ali jimcaale because he wanted to use northern support to win the presidency. and some of the abgaal were actually more radical than both hawadle and habargidir. when cabdulahi ciise was leading the syl, xaaji baraako set up the banadir liberation league in the 50s, they were supporting an italian presence in somalia post independence. also, they set up the first opposition against the kacaan long before any other somalis let alone hawiyes. when salaad gabayre was killed, they formed the SODAF in 74', when cali hagareey, cumar istarliin and maxamuud geelle met in saudi arabia. even abdulahi yusuf paid tribute to them, when cumar istarliin died a few years back. infact, the usc itself waxaa aasaasay labo nin oo abgaal iyo murusade kala ah, it was proff gaalaguul and cali wardhiigley in rome 87, at that time the hg and hawaadle enlisted their officers into the usc, so they played an important military role but they did not lead the political faction until mid 91'. this is why there has been deep disagreement between mahdi and aideed.

[sahal80]

yeah thats right, lakin why is the hiraan community, especially the people of east beledweyne, strong supporters of sharif ahmed? infact they have considerable amount of members in the daljir/islaah faction? maxaad ka odhan lahayd sxb

There are Two Reasons why Mudulood And Xawaadle Support Each Other.

1.Familial Ties and a historic peaceful co-existance which still exists till today.
2.Mudulood Accepts,Recognizes,Lobbies For Hawaadle Soveriegnty Over Hiiraan.We will always Side With Xawaadle on the issue of Hiiraan and we firmly believe that This Decision also benefits our Mudulood Brothers in hiiraan-Ujeejeen.

We Supported Them During USC/SNA Raid on Baladweyne,which was illegal and Immoral invasion by a War Criminal.We basically Aided Them in cleaning up their City and we will do it in the future.Xawaadle soverignty Over Hiiraan benefits us.

1. hawaadle are closer in settlement with the HG and murusade clans, mudulood (except udeejeen) are based towards the coast. familial ties mean nothing, the mudulood are blood brothers of HG yet they are closer to murusade and hawaadle because of socio-politics. the entire civil war was based around the aideed-mahdi feud yet the hawaadle clan were the only honest facilitators. but sadly hiraab did not take heed of this and the fragmentation of USC unity began, i.e. SSA, SNA, PM etc.
2. beledweyne is one of the most important towns on the somali peninsula for many reasons, but it is different from mogadiscio. beledweyne borders ethiopia (allbeit the fake colonial border) so for you to call for clan domination in that town as opposed to unity, is what prevents that town from keeping guard of its true enemy (ethiopia).

sahal, i respect osoble siyaad, and all clans should adopt unity, all this 'tolkaa dhinac karaac' undermines somaliya iyo wadajirkeeda. but to correct you, cabdulahi ciise was an syl heavyweight, he was allied to aden cadde and was the only politician who remained in cabinet throughout the democracy era. snc was the project of ali jimcaale because he wanted to use northern support to win the presidency. and some of the abgaal were actually more radical than both hawadle and habargidir. when cabdulahi ciise was leading the syl, xaaji baraako set up the banadir liberation league in the 50s, they were supporting an italian presence in somalia post independence. also, they set up the first opposition against the kacaan long before any other somalis let alone hawiyes. when salaad gabayre was killed, they formed the SODAF in 74', when cali hagareey, cumar istarliin and maxamuud geelle met in saudi arabia. even abdulahi yusuf paid tribute to them, when cumar istarliin died a few years back. infact, the usc itself waxaa aasaasay labo nin oo abgaal iyo murusade kala ah, it was proff gaalaguul and cali wardhiigley in rome 87, at that time the hg and hawaadle enlisted their officers into the usc, so they played an important military role but they did not lead the political faction until mid 91'. this is why there has been deep disagreement between mahdi and aideed.

thanx for the great historical info. i never heard of an abgaal rebellion before the manafeesto.i agree with you, i have included murursade because of the leader cali wardhiigley being from them, the founder of the USC in 1988, this guy had splitted from SNM because they wanted to use him like they did later on with aideed so he founded his own USC. i want to tell some thing i heard from our odayaal wich is: back in the 80s there were an official xawaadle jabhad, cayr jabhad, ogadeen jabhad as a gobonimodoon cover for the national army after our army has been defeated. the xawadle jabhad was led by colonel farax gubadleey an abdi yuusuf xawaadle with an ogadeen mother so this guy had rebelled with his army, the same did the cayr one who was called gorgor. so, basically these hawadle and cayr armies were the USCs armed wing wich aideed led them from mustaxil with the help of duuliye sare abdi usman an abdi yuusuf hawdle who become the USCs vice president. the problem was that there was another USC the political wing who inherited cali wardhiigley and ali mahdi was a member of it when aideed was part of the siyaad barres regime they both clashed later on.
this link shows cayr and hawadle armies.
http://oodweynenews.com/articles/38217- ... alas-cadbi
http://oodweynenews.com/articles/38217- ... geele.html

[Somaliman50]

sahal80, the manifeesto group were the only real hope for somalia at the time. everyone else turned to clans but the manifeesto were above that, they were the only group who wanted a peaceful diplomatic solution, not a military solution. and ali wardhiigley split from the snm because the snm policy only favoured isaaq clans and non isaaq leaders were being sidelined like the dhulbahante garaad. it is thanks to ali wardhiigley that usc set up base in ceelbuur instead of being clustered in mustaxiil. and he was one of the very few politicians who never worked with siad barre throughout his career. i have seen your link but soomaalidu waa tuhun badanyihiin, mustaxiil weligeed isaaq uma gacan gelin. it was salebaan/xawaadle territory and the usc jabhad meeshaas ayey ka bilowday, via ismaciil jimcaale who was with cali wardhiigley in rome 87, he got through to hg and hawaadle officers and they joined from there. aideed himself was an ambassador in india when usc of rome called him up and he joined the mustaxiil ranks. usc cooperation was thanks to abgaal and murusade sxb. col faarax gubadleey and col gorgor were actually fierce fighters, specifically, waa kuwii siad barre xadka keenya ka raacdeeyey. laakin waxay dileen dad u badnaa raxanweyn iyo darood which is not good.

btw ali mahdi himself was a businessman and he did his part in bringing financial support. truthfully speaking he was ready for reconciliation but hg/hawaadle backed SNA refused time and time again until beledweyne was attacked and allegiances switched to SSA and PM. dad baa jecel iney cali mahdi eeda saaraan laakin always waxaa ka daran qof heshiis diida oo wadatashi ka dhabarjeesta.

[sahal80]

sahal80, the manifeesto group were the only real hope for somalia at the time. everyone else turned to clans but the manifeesto were above that, they were the only group who wanted a peaceful diplomatic solution, not a military solution. and ali wardhiigley split from the snm because the snm policy only favoured isaaq clans and non isaaq leaders were being sidelined like the dhulbahante garaad. it is thanks to ali wardhiigley that usc set up base in ceelbuur instead of being clustered in mustaxiil. and he was one of the very few politicians who never worked with siad barre throughout his career. i have seen your link but soomaalidu waa tuhun badanyihiin, mustaxiil weligeed isaaq uma gacan gelin. it was salebaan/xawaadle territory and the usc jabhad meeshaas ayey ka bilowday, via ismaciil jimcaale who was with cali wardhiigley in rome 87, he got through to hg and hawaadle officers and they joined from there. aideed himself was an ambassador in india when usc of rome called him up and he joined the mustaxiil ranks. usc cooperation was thanks to abgaal and murusade sxb. col faarax gubadleey and col gorgor were actually fierce fighters, specifically, waa kuwii siad barre xadka keenya ka raacdeeyey. laakin waxay dileen dad u badnaa raxanweyn iyo darood which is not good.

btw ali mahdi himself was a businessman and he did his part in bringing financial support. truthfully speaking he was ready for reconciliation but hg/hawaadle backed SNA refused time and time again until beledweyne was attacked and allegiances switched to SSA and PM. dad baa jecel iney cali mahdi eeda saaraan laakin always waxaa ka daran qof heshiis diida oo wadatashi ka dhabarjeesta.

unfortunately the ex minister of the 60s and the founder of the USC has died in the 1999 then, the political wing had elected dr ismacil jucaale, unfortunately he aso died in 1990 after he wrote the manafesto. from here the USCs central committe had elected ali madhdi to be on its head this is before aideed getting rebelled in december 1990. so, obviously ali mahdi had deserved it more. though abgaal had inherited murursade through ismacil jimcaale cosoble, the hawadle and habargidir faction were decisive militarly. i agree that aideed was traying to repeat siyaad barres dictatorship. this is ismacil jumcale cosoble.
http://www.xildhibanpublications.com/Wa ... osoble.htm

[abgaalKING]

i agree that aideed was traying to repeat siyaad barres dictatorship.

Ofcourse,what is the point of removing a dictator and replacing it with another military dictatorship? it doesnt make any logical sense.