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Re: Ethiopia launches military attack inside Eritrea

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Mondey wrote:Ethiopia is the largest Christian population in Africa and headquarter of AU, the west will not sit there and watch it dismantles by an alliance of nomadic clans supported by a sanctioned state. although its a great thing to see happening since west Somalia will liberate but its not as easy as u guys put it.
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Laakin The Ethiopians are really worried about the muslim Population Inside Ethiopia, Now they are more Than half and as Muslims Religion comes First then Country. They allowed all these Missionaries to try to convert the muslims who most are poor But somehow 5-10 Million Orthodox Converted Instead, Now the orthodox Are crying Foul while The muslims are Pumping Kids Like rabbits. Sh*t Is gonna pop off In Ethiopia Soon and we have a fron seat to the action :mrgreen:
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recon does not count.
There is the issue of logistics , we were already at the end of our logistics tail, when we were at harar.
It would have taken weeks to build up ammo, food and fuel to attempt an advance,
and the matter of the besieged Ethiopian army in harar was still there to be dealt with.
Clearing them out would have cost allot of men and time that we didnt have, even though the ethiopians could not keep us out of harar if we launched an all out attack.

basically we didnt have the time or the resources, and if we took harar we would be so outstreched that when the soviets/cubans lauched their counter attack the entire somali army would have had no chance of an escape , and would have been fully destroyed.

In 1978 even though we lost 3000 men, the somali army pulled off an incredible escape, and managed to get out of a double envelopment, include the first Mechanized aerial envelopment in the history of warfare.

No in hindesight the best course would have been a withdrawl to jijiga when the buildup of cuban troops started,
and opening up of diplomatic moves.
When the cubans and Ethiopians attack it would have been more of a frontal attack and we would have been able to do very well in the mountainous region around jijga, there would be less chance of the soviets trying their aerial envelopment.
which means that we would have been fighting for months on end well into 1978.

The pakistani pilots that flew our MIG-19s and 21s would have seen some combat by then.
Egypt was considering sending a training force of a few hundred, and they send us their surplus Soviet equipment.
China was also ready to provide arms , funded by Saudi arabia.
I think we could have fought the war for several months into 1978 if we retreated and regrouped early on.
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gurey25 wrote:recon does not count.
There is the issue of logistics , we were already at the end of our logistics tail, when we were at harar.
It would have taken weeks to build up ammo, food and fuel to attempt an advance,
and the matter of the besieged Ethiopian army in harar was still there to be dealt with.
Clearing them out would have cost allot of men and time that we didnt have, even though the ethiopians could not keep us out of harar if we launched an all out attack.

basically we didnt have the time or the resources, and if we took harar we would be so outstreched that when the soviets/cubans lauched their counter attack the entire somali army would have had no chance of an escape , and would have been fully destroyed.

In 1978 even though we lost 3000 men, the somali army pulled off an incredible escape, and managed to get out of a double envelopment, include the first Mechanized aerial envelopment in the history of warfare.

No in hindesight the best course would have been a withdrawl to jijiga when the buildup of cuban troops started,
and opening up of diplomatic moves.
When the cubans and Ethiopians attack it would have been more of a frontal attack and we would have been able to do very well in the mountainous region around jijga, there would be less chance of the soviets trying their aerial envelopment.
which means that we would have been fighting for months on end well into 1978.

The pakistani pilots that flew our MIG-19s and 21s would have seen some combat by then.
Egypt was considering sending a training force of a few hundred, and they send us their surplus Soviet equipment.
China was also ready to provide arms , funded by Saudi arabia.
I think we could have fought the war for several months into 1978 if we retreated and regrouped early on.

I think Maybe Fighting The soviet and Cubans was psycologically too much on the somali Soldiers/Commanders.
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gurey25 wrote:whats tis bullshit about 60km or 100km for addisabba
we were besieging harar and that is allot more than 60km from addisabba.
Its true a Somali battallion was send there

The Somali army had pushed to less than 100 km from Addis Ababa when Moscow decided to intervene on Ethiopia's side. - Book
and time was running out for us, becuase 15,000 cubans, east germans and yemeni troops were massing and moving towards harar,
while 50,000 conscripts where mobilized to be used as cannon fodder against us.
What are you talking about? Somalia destroyed most of the Ethiopian army in the first few weeks, and then chilled in the Ogaden, Sidamo and Oromia regions for another year building schools and hospitals instead of knocking Derg out for good by a direct invasion of Addis Ababa with the battallion that was send to that area, that alone would have seen Derg pack their bags and flee the country. The Soviets were still friends of Somalia then and no intervantion was planned, only when Barre kicked them out did they rescue the Ethiopians.
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MidriGeez wrote: I think Maybe Fighting The soviet and Cubans was psycologically too much on the somali Soldiers/Commanders.
Many of those Soviets were former advisers of the Somali army, so they knew every single tactic and batallion in the military to a T, and the intervention came as a big surprise because nobody would have thought the Soviets would have backstab us like that, least of the soldiers and commanders who had fond memories of training in Moscow. Post-1978 thousands of Somali soldiers continued fighting despte the ''official'' announcement of withdrawal. Somalia replenished its army with US hardware from Saudi, Egypt and Iran.

Somalis lost two chances to destroy the Ethiopian state for good, the first in 1977 and another chance came in 1991. If we were united during their downfall we could have placed our puppet Meles Zenawi in Tigray and with the Eritreans could have made sure the successful disintergration of Ethiopia, but instead it went the other way and we disintergrated, and the USA has made sure this would the new reality on the ground.
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Hi,HippoTT, How are you?

I would like to know your opinion about Ogaden War in 1977-78.

Why did Somalia lose Ogaden War in 1977?

I heard Somalia was defeated by Cuba and Russia in 1978.
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luis1 wrote:Hi,HippoTT, How are you?

I would like to know your opinion about Ogaden War in 1977-78.we dont care

Why did Somalia lose Ogaden War in 1977?we won it

I heard Somalia was defeated by Cuba and Russia in 1978.
nah,cubans were never there.
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Ogaden War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War ... references

Somali Army continued the war against Ethiopia after 1978 but at the end of 1981, Somali Army and WSLF were defeated by Ethiopia.
The expected Ethiopian-Cuban attack occurred in early February; however, it was accompanied by a second attack that the Somalis did not expect. A column of Ethiopian and Cuban troops crossed northeast into the highlands between Jijiga and the border with Somalia, bypassing the SNA-WSLF force defending the Marda Pass. The attackers were thus able to assault from two directions in a "pincer" action, allowing the re-capture of Jijiga in only two days while killing 3,000 defenders. The Somali defense collapsed and every major Ethiopian town was recaptured in the following weeks. Recognizing that his position was untenable, Siad Barre ordered the SNA to retreat back into Somalia on 9 March 1978, although Rene LaFort claims that the Somalis, having foreseen the inevitable, had already withdrawn its heavy weapons.The last significant Somali unit left Ethiopia on 15 March 1978, marking the end of the war.

Following the withdrawal of the SNA, the WSLF continued their insurgency. By May 1980, the rebels, with the assistance of a small number of SNA soldiers who continued to help the guerilla war, controlled a substantial region of the Ogaden. However by 1981 the insurgents were reduced to sporadic hit-and-run attacks and were finally defeated.

The Ogaden War weakened the Somali military. Almost one-third of the regular SNA soldiers, three-eighths of the armored units and half of the Somali Air Force (SAF) were lost. The weakness of the Barre regime led it to effectively abandon the dream of a unified Greater Somalia. The failure of the war aggravated discontent with the Barre regime; the first organized opposition group, the Somali Salvation Democratic Front (SSDF), was formed by army officers in 1979
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Re: Ethiopia launches military attack inside Eritrea

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Hi,abgaalKING

May you show me any proof about the somali victory in Ogaden War?

Show me any somali source which say Somalia won the war?

Hi,HippoTT, How are you?

I would like to know your opinion about Ogaden War in 1977-78.we dont care

Why did Somalia lose Ogaden War in 1977?we won it

I heard Somalia was defeated by Cuba and Russia in 1978.nah,cubans were never there.
The cubans were in Ogaden.

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Hi,abgaalKING

I am waiting for your sources about the "great somali victory" against Cubans in 1978 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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it was a victory of sorts.
for 100 years somalis had suffered at the hands of western backed ethiopia.
the war was an immense effort by the somali people to liberate our lands.
we proved that we could go toe to toe with a country with 10 times our population and superpower support,and bring it to its knees.

the cubans were really significant, i`d put more score on the soviet pilots myself.
you should know that hundreds of cubans perished, and those that were buried on somali soil were dug up and left for the hyenas.
no fallen cuban invader was allowed to pollute our mother somali soil.
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it was a victory of sorts.
for 100 years somalis had suffered at the hands of western backed ethiopia.
the war was an immense effort by the somali people to liberate our lands.
we proved that we could go toe to toe with a country with 10 times our population and superpower support,and bring it to its knees.

the cubans were really significant, i`d put more score on the soviet pilots myself.
you should know that hundreds of cubans perished, and those that were buried on somali soil were dug up and left for the hyenas.
no fallen cuban invader was allowed to pollute our mother somali soil.
That is false,the cubans only lost 400 men.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War
Ethiopia:
6,133 killed
10,563 wounded
3,867 captured or missing (including 1,362 deserters)
Cuba:
400 killed
South Yemen:
100 killed
Somalia was defeated by Cuba and Russia,the cubans and russians only wanted to expel Somalia of Ogaden and they defeated Somali Army.
The expected Ethiopian-Cuban attack occurred in early February; however, it was accompanied by a second attack that the Somalis did not expect. A column of Ethiopian and Cuban troops crossed northeast into the highlands between Jijiga and the border with Somalia, bypassing the SNA-WSLF force defending the Marda Pass. The attackers were thus able to assault from two directions in a "pincer" action, allowing the re-capture of Jijiga in only two days while killing 3,000 defenders. The Somali defense collapsed and every major Ethiopian town was recaptured in the following weeks. Recognizing that his position was untenable, Siad Barre ordered the SNA to retreat back into Somalia on 9 March 1978, although Rene LaFort claims that the Somalis, having foreseen the inevitable, had already withdrawn its heavy weapons.The last significant Somali unit left Ethiopia on 15 March 1978, marking the end of the war.

Following the withdrawal of the SNA, the WSLF continued their insurgency. By May 1980, the rebels, with the assistance of a small number of SNA soldiers who continued to help the guerilla war, controlled a substantial region of the Ogaden. However by 1981 the insurgents were reduced to sporadic hit-and-run attacks and were finally defeated.

The Ogaden War weakened the Somali military. Almost one-third of the regular SNA soldiers, three-eighths of the armored units and half of the Somali Air Force (SAF) were lost. The weakness of the Barre regime led it to effectively abandon the dream of a unified Greater Somalia. The failure of the war aggravated discontent with the Barre regime; the first organized opposition group, the Somali Salvation Democratic Front (SSDF), was formed by army officers in 1979.
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IF SOMEONE CAN SHOW ME ONE SOURCE,JUST ONE SOURCE(BOOK OR A SERIOUS ARTICLE)THAT SOMALIA WON OGADEN WAR IN 1978,I WILL LEAVE THIS FORUM IMMEDIATELY

I GAVE YOU MY WORD.

I HAVE BEEN 6 YEARS HERE AND NOBODY CAN SHOW ME ANY SOURCE ABOUT THE THE SOMALI "VICTORY" IN 1978?

IS THIS A VERY DIFFICULT TASK?


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Cuba's involvement in the Ogaden war isn't something to be proud of, they assisted a colonial power and fought against decolonization, against everything they supposedly stand for.
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Hi James,how are you.You are an intelligent man,I know that.

My problem is I can not understand there are people like Nomad who says Ogaden War was a defeat for Cuba and Russia but they dont have any source to prove it.

I have been 6 years here and nobody can show me any source about the somali "victory" in Ogaden.

Am I wrong about Ogaden War ?

I have shown you and others many sources about my standpoint but nobody can say I am wrong about the outcome of Ogaden War.

If I am wrong about Ogaden War outcome,please show me the sources which say Somalia "won"the war.

The people only insults me but they dont have any source.
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