Professor Axmed Samatar rejects dawarsi state

[original dervish]

get outta here with that nonsense!

we will never agree to being part of "somaliland", whether in or out of the Somali Republic.
The secessionists are a single sub clan. No true Somali will ever consider countenancing the division of half our country .
I say leave them in political limbo. Let them stew for another 20 years until they come with something realistic.

[Cirwaaq]

get outta here with that nonsense!

we will never agree to being part of "somaliland", whether in or out of the Somali Republic.
The secessionists are a single sub clan. No true Somali will ever consider countenancing the division of half our country .
I say leave them in political limbo. Let them stew for another 20 years until they come with something realistic.

Inspecting the status quo... who will continue to suffer for another 20years?

You do not speak for the poor people that have been made victims by the somali political failures over the last 51 years. The voice of reason is in favour of dissolution of an unfair and abused and unratified union on the basis of failing to deliver all 5 states for which it was designed for.

Equal parties enter into Agreements and depart from agreements so long as they have Majority vote from their respective electorate. The end result is in the hands of the electorate of the 2 states. Where there is no elections then the legitimate voice of authority is that of the UN backed governement.

[Mondey]

Cirwaaq you view things from a totally wrong angle.. SL today is NOT 1960 SL, back then it had the privilege of being 1-united 2-independent nation, today it is a divided breakaway state (so far at least one province is no longer in the equation)... they no longer have that advantage to apply or work for what u call preserving a better future relations remember we are still one state, what are you saying can only work for the search for Djibouti and the remaining 2 states, you cannot equate SL to them.
alot of ppl sacrificed for the union and many more suffered not only one particular region... different ppl reacted differently, many things were at stake 21 years ago and the decisions made back then defined our present, we have experienced everything within that period.. today nothing is at stake!
What Somalilanders need to do is sit back on the table and say what exactly is it they complain from? a gone regime/leader? power sharing? injustice? i believe whatever injustices or discrimination are there it should be corrected and everyone gets their rights. And they seem to be on the right path since they have just made a committee to carry on the talks with tfg.

All the actions towards somaliland by a Central government based in Moqadishu since the 1960's union have been baised and unfair. Djbouti and the other two states even if all three were independent WOULD not join with neither somalia nor somaliland simply based on the examples set by their 1960ies union.

The 1960ies Union has become a cancer for Somalihood it has to be cured, irradiated, burned to the ground in order to remove the indignation associated with it.

In order to revive Somaliland's believe in Somaliweyn a sacrifice is needed to once again gain their trust in Somalinimo. Independence is merely political. Geographically there is no change, Ethnically, Culturally, spiritually, etc the Somalis will always be united.

We simply lack 1 form of unity out of a multitude.

Give Somaliland the opportunity to once again become an advocate of somaliweyn instead of fearing their temperary departure from an ill concieved and premature union. Since 1960 the two states that united have held the remainder of the somalis hostage, it is their union that continues to breed further mistrust.

Sacrifice the failed union of 2 to give way to a potential union of 5. Half a century is long enough of a failure for us to explore alternate paths to our end goal.

I think you are overly exaggerating here but you are entitled to your opinion.. you portray the 1960 union as complete failure, i look at it as a bless from God and it almost fulfilled the wishes of 8 million if not some mistakes..those mistakes could been corrected but what do you expect from nomads fascinated by guns! no one can deny that both parts north and south benefited from the union its not wise to say ALL actions from Mogadishu towards SL were unfair and unjust.. how do u even know Mogadishu was unfair and biased with SL or even call it abused unratified union? its not like SL had demanded sharing of power on 50-50 basis before making the 1960 agreement!

even if majority vote from electorate approved the motion, the agreement on union was unanimous and so should be the secession. But how do you even know what electorate of the northern provinces would vote since there was not even a single fair regional referendum done!

[original dervish]

this guy is a stalking horse for secessionism!

There can be no compromises on the territorial integrity of Somalia.
the secessionists predominately hail from a single subclan.
All the other clans of the north will vote for unity if given the chance.

As somalis, where all in this together. Anything else is a recipe for disaster.
Show me any other group outside of issaqs who want secession.

[Cirwaaq]

I think you are overly exaggerating here but you are entitled to your opinion.. you portray the 1960 union as complete failure, i look at it as a bless from God and it almost fulfilled the wishes of 8 million if not some mistakes..those mistakes could been corrected but what do you expect from nomads fascinated by guns! no one can deny that both parts north and south benefited from the union its not wise to say ALL actions from Mogadishu towards SL were unfair and unjust.. how do u even know Mogadishu was unfair and biased with SL or even call it abused unratified union? its not like SL had demanded sharing of power on 50-50 basis before making the 1960 agreement!

even if majority vote from electorate approved the motion, the agreement on union was unanimous and so should be the secession. But how do you even know what electorate of the northern provinces would vote since there was not even a single fair regional referendum done!

1. We agree Somalilanders took a leap of faith and amade an emotional decision to rush to moqadishu in 1960. Yes they deserve a large portion of the blame for their blind trust in somaliweyn and their lack of foresight or rather lack of awareness of a political predators that awaited them in moqadishu... 51 years later hasn't everyone payed for their love of somaliweyn. I just think we are over looking their pure intentions when assessing their current fear of a union and that is our primary scar to heal somaliweyn if we are sincere in our attempts to ever give it another chance.

2. 1960 union decision was made unanimously? i will disagree as in that time more then 80% of Somalis North or south were neither consulted nor made aware of the union ideals as they were Nomads in the Bush. So by your own agruement only 10% of either population should be consulted to reach an agreement of dissolution of the 1960 union.

In summary if we agree that the northerners entered into an agreement that allowed for the exploitation of their "Love of Somaliweyn" and blind faith in Somalinimo to the point that they were reduced to a mere province and as such allocated a politicall status in accordance... What is the true value of this union we are defending then? This has not been a union it has been a colonisation of British.somaliland by Italian.Somaliland albeit volunterily. Since there is no real plan to correct past errors the only course of action is to dissolve the mistakes of 1960 so as to give future generation equal rights to pursue a true Union.

[Cirwaaq]

this guy is a stalking horse for secessionism!

There can be no compromises on the territorial integrity of Somalia.
the secessionists predominately hail from a single subclan.
All the other clans of the north will vote for unity if given the chance.

As somalis, where all in this together. Anything else is a recipe for disaster.
Show me any other group outside of issaqs who want secession.

You are making uneccessary emotional appeals on a topic that requires you to make a logical analysis of a past agreement so as to analyse a path forward. You are not adding anything besides exposing your emotional projections towards particular gorups of somalis.

Your HATE towards one group of somalis is sufficient excuse to end any agreement that was passed on LOVE. You are the reason why a real Union will be difficult.

[original dervish]

as usual your talking rubbish.
the north of somalia does not equate to issaq.
the union between the two former colonies was the sum efforts of all the clans of somalia.
it was never in the gift of one particular subclan to decide the fate of millions of somalis.

we dont hate the secessionists, we oppose secession.
in case you didnt notice, the militia of somaliland is occupying our city and laying siege to others.
hundreds of men,women and children have been killed and tens of thousands have been displaced.
is this the "LOVE", you speak of.

[Keyse_0208]

the militia of somaliland is occupying our city and laying siege to others.

Pu'sssy'ole, the question is what can you do about it.????
these foking Qurjiilees are straight up b'itches walahi. half of them are used like condoms by p'land and the other half are used and expired by s'land and in the end all they have left is few irrelevant tuuloos in the middle of no where

hundreds of men,women and children have been killed and tens of thousands have been displaced

u right, hundreds and thousands are in Maandheera prisons, what the fuk u gonna Pusssy Boy