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Re: Blessed art thou among women

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Garaad_LQ wrote:
union wrote: I question the assertion that Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] was the greatest prophet when it was Jesus [AS] who was borne of the womb of the most righteous woman to ever live , from a seed implanted by the spirit of God. Prophet Muhammad's parents died non-Muslims.

the logic you're using is just laughable , righteousness and greatness is not inherited

Couldn't have said it better myself. :up:

Besides, Prophet Mohamed (PBUH) is the Beloved of God. But Islam tells us to respect all the Prophets.
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Re: Blessed art thou among women

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union wrote:....and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Isa


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Has there ever been a woman to walk the earth more righteous than Mary?


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Re: Blessed art thou among women

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union wrote:
Garaad_LQ wrote:
union wrote: I question the assertion that Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] was the greatest prophet when it was Jesus [AS] who was borne of the womb of the most righteous woman to ever live , from a seed implanted by the spirit of God. Prophet Muhammad's parents died non-Muslims.

the logic you're using is just laughable , righteousness and greatness is not inherited

What did Prophet Muhammad do that ennobled him more than Jesus? They both were agents of God who promoted righteousness and piety to their nations. They both were of sound moral character, they both were beloved of God, etc. The thing that sets Jesus apart is that he was not born of the seed of man, but from the spirit of God which breathed life into the womb of Mary. This is what it says in the Qu'ran, this miraculous birth should make him holier and more special than any other prophet!

because Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was chosen by God to be his last messenger to all of mankind , where Jesus (AS) was only sent to the tribes of Israel , and Jesus wasn't "the Spirit of God " as you trying to put it , God created Isa without a father but you forget that he also created Adam without a father nor a mother



يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ ۚ انتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
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Re: Blessed art thou among women

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union wrote:
TATI wrote:Is Mary the mother of Jesus in the Quran too? :?

Yes.

My favorite part is when Mary gives birth to baby Jesus under a tree and brings him to town, and the bewildered villagers ask her how she gave birth when her husband never touched her, and Mary replies God impregnated her (or was it she points to the cradle and baby Jesus say thus).

A miraculous passage indeed!
Ok, so Jesus is the son of God? Did he have an earthly father too?
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Some historian claime that Jesus never existed :steviej:
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Re: Blessed art thou among women

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Garaad_LQ wrote:

because Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was chosen by God to be his last messenger to all of mankind , where Jesus (AS) was only sent to the tribes of Israel , and Jesus wasn't "the Spirit of God " as you trying to put it , God created Isa without a father but you forget that he also created Adam without a father nor a mother


يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لَا تَغْلُوا فِي دِينِكُمْ وَلَا تَقُولُوا عَلَى اللَّهِ إِلَّا الْحَقَّ ۚ إِنَّمَا الْمَسِيحُ عِيسَى ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ وَكَلِمَتُهُ أَلْقَاهَا إِلَىٰ مَرْيَمَ وَرُوحٌ مِّنْهُ ۖ فَآمِنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرُسُلِهِ ۖ وَلَا تَقُولُوا ثَلَاثَةٌ ۚ انتَهُوا خَيْرًا لَّكُمْ ۚ إِنَّمَا اللَّهُ إِلَٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۖ سُبْحَانَهُ أَن يَكُونَ لَهُ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَّهُ مَا فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَمَا فِي الْأَرْضِ ۗ وَكَفَىٰ بِاللَّهِ وَكِيلًا

O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs.
1) Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] was not a messenger for all generations of mankind, but just for his own ummah (the people who lived during his time, and afterward). 2) The spirit and word of God impregnated Mary with Jesus, this is what it says in the Qu'ran....I hope you are not trying to contest it 3) Sure Adam may have been created in a special way too, but he committed the first sin along with his wife Eve and caused humanity to be expelled from heaven. Also, Jesus is the one who God selected to come back at the end of time and establish a righteous kingdom on earth...another example of Jesus being the favored of God!!
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Re: Blessed art thou among women

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union wrote:....and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Isa


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Has there ever been a woman to walk the earth more righteous than Mary?
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Re: Blessed art thou among women

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Union,

It's pretty clear that you're dealing with a crisis of faith of some sort, hence your recent not-so-subtle yet not-so-obvious trolling efforts. The message that your broadcasting is that religion, organized religion, is a joke and you're finding humor at poking holes in what you see as the folly of 'true believers'.

I strongly encourage you to find a way to reconcile your belief in the certitude of science and observable, quantifiable phenomena with your upbringing as a Muslim and the teachings of Islam. It can be done.

Else, you'll be hidden in the closet of doubt & disbelief for a long long time.
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Re: Blessed art thou among women

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Compare these two statements

Jesus:
Matthew 10:37
Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me
Mohammad:
'We were with the Prophet (saws) and he was holding the hand of 'Umar ibnu Al-Khattab (ra). 'Umar said to him, "O Allah's Messenger (saws)! You are dearer to me than everything except my ownself." Allah's Messenger (saws) said: "No, by Him in Whose Hand my soul is, (you will not have complete Faith) untill I am dearer to you than your ownself." Then 'Umar (ra) said: "However, now, by Allah, you are dearer to me than my ownself." He (saws) then said: "Now, O 'Umar, (now you are a believer)."

When I read Jesus' statement I cried because of how selfless he is.
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grandpakhalif wrote:Compare these two statements

Jesus:
Matthew 10:37
Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me
Mohammad:
'We were with the Prophet (saws) and he was holding the hand of 'Umar ibnu Al-Khattab (ra). 'Umar said to him, "O Allah's Messenger (saws)! You are dearer to me than everything except my ownself." Allah's Messenger (saws) said: "No, by Him in Whose Hand my soul is, (you will not have complete Faith) untill I am dearer to you than your ownself." Then 'Umar (ra) said: "However, now, by Allah, you are dearer to me than my ownself." He (saws) then said: "Now, O 'Umar, (now you are a believer)."

When I read Jesus' statement I cried because of how selfless he is.

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Re: Blessed art thou among women

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union wrote:I question the assertion that Prophet Muhammad [PBUH] was the greatest prophet
God Disagrees.
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Re: Blessed art thou among women

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union wrote:....and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Isa


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Has there ever been a woman to walk the earth more righteous than Mary?
Indeed, Maryam was one of the best women that walked on earth. Her story is one of my favorite stories to read/listen to, along side with Aasiyah's, Khadija's, Aisha's and Fatima's. May peace be upon them all, i really admired their steadfastness, courage and faith. :up:


union wrote:2) The spirit and word of God impregnated Mary with Jesus, this is what it says in the Qu'ran....I hope you are not trying to contest it

Ku noqo, not the spirit and a word of God, but the spirit and word from God. And if we're to get down to the way Maryam (pbuh) conceived Isa (pbuh) is simply put: Angel Gabriel (pbuh) blew into the opening of Maryam’s garment, the breath moved down, traveled through her private parts and into the uterus; and thus she conceived the child. Quite similarly to how God of the bible also blew into Adam’s nostrils. And the spirit itself is something that gives life.
And [mention] the one who guarded her chastity, so We blew into her [garment] through Our angel [Gabriel], and We made her and her son a sign for the worlds.
21:90-91



union wrote:Also, Jesus is the one who God selected to come back at the end of time and establish a righteous kingdom on earth...another example of Jesus being the favored of God!!
As for Isa( pbuh), he'll reign as a khalif(not a prophet) by the teachings revealed to Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh).
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Re: Blessed art thou among women

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Union Jesus and Mary are both two special human beings , jesus was created and put alive simmilarly like Adam (as), without a father, he will return and die like a man after ruling the world with justice and order.

As to your inquiry of the final prophet muhammad (saw), his parents did not neccasarily die non-muslim, you cannot use that kind of salafi-logic, he was from a noble lineage of mothers and fathers who were not offsprings of zina (adultry) and he was a direct descendents of the two prophets Ismail and Ibrahim (as), He Muhammad (saw) was the greatest creation because his spirit was created before mankind, and it was his spirit that was casted into the loins of adam then through nuh, then abraham, then ismail, and then finally hashim and then he was born of pure light. It is said that when his mother gave birth in the cold deserts of syria it lit up the citadels with a strong light, he was indeed the greatest, and the most purest prophet, and the most beloved to god.

Which is why compared to Allah's law in our Ummah, since we are the Ummah of the prophet, it is much more generous and kinder then the law of the torah of the people of Moses, and lot and Nuh, its because Allah loves the prophet muhammad and for his sake we have mercy from Allah.
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There is no conflict here, we love Prophet Jesus and we await his grand return to lead us into a glorious victory over the People of the Book. And we also love Prophet Muhammad (SAW), last Prophet of all, the Messenger of God and the best of mankind.
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