Description of Paradise (Jannada)

[AgentOfChaos]

Marka hore bal Soomaaliyey "Dood internet-ka kasocotay baan ka mid ahaa" aakhiro niga saari maysee, ee orda oo salaada soo tukada. SMH

[eliteSomali]

We can also infer from Qur'an and hadith that a fat oil sheikh who's made money through questionable trades and beds young Bulgarian chicks every weekend will someday go to Jannah even he's forced to endure Jahannam for 30,000 years, 'cause he's said "la ilaaha ilallah" during his biannual 'umra trips. Conversely, we can infer that the Peruvian grandmother who's only been told about Islam by that guy shouting on the corner at an intersection in Lima will pretty much end up in Hell

Then how do you explain this? Forget about assumptions and what you can infer from the quran/hadiith. In the quote above what exactly are you saying? To me it seems a lot like you are protesting the shahaada being used as the criteria for who goes to paradise and who does not.

[Alphanumeric]

Reiteration of what I've learnt in reference to your post. Pretty much all that is. There is no protest. If that's untrue, please share otherwise. I know there are some who say and believe that anyone who believes in any of the revealed books will enter Jannah, even today. I unno about that.

[eliteSomali]

okay, Thanks. I don't know much hence why I said no one but allah knows.

[Marques]

My original comment was in response to your first sentence: No one but allah knows who goes to jannah and who does not. There were no intended implications of "fair" or "unfair", but only reiterations of what was learnt. According to Qur'an and hadith, yes there are obvious and valid assumptions that can be made about who won't be accepted into Jannah. It's the reason why no one would dare make a thread about Ariel Sharon possibly being allowed into Jannah given his passing. And yes, the same assumptions can be made about anyone who's been told about Islam, but has rejected it and died on that.

We can only say what we know of yaqiin i.e. We know that any man who died upon shirk and/or kufr is mamnuuc from entering paradise because Allah has revealed this to us in the Quraan. But we are not allowed to specify so and so person is in paradise or the hellfire because at the end of the day that matter is unseen knowledge and one who speaks of unseen knowledge will lead to a path of destruction.

[Alphanumeric]

That's true. But up until Sharon I was speaking generally.

[Tanker]

I remember Islam saying something about how good Jews and Christians dont have anything to fear on judgement day.

[Mataan_Ciideed]

I think it's a bit arrogant for us muslims to say that allah's mercy is only exclusive for us muslims, and that all non muslims are going to hell. in my humble opinion, wallaahu aclam, i think that the higher levels in jannah are for the muslims, especially the muslims who accumulated so much hasanaat, and the lower levels in jannah are for the non muslims who have good in their hearts, and my daliil for this is:

- Allah says in the quran several times that allah forgives whom he wills and punishes whom he wills.

- there is this hadith saying that when people in akhirah see what they've been rewarded in jannah for any suffering they've experienced in dunya, they will wish if they would have spent all their lives being dragged on their face. cancer is a lot more prelevant in the west than in developing countries, think of all the suffering that cancer paitents go thru with the disease itself and all the chemo therapy and radiation, and all the worry that their families go thru. someone mentioned hugo chaves, well it seems that hugo chaves was a very nice man who always tried his best to help his people and fight injustice. well he suffered thru cancer for sometimes and he died relatively young at age 58 because of it. so any suffering in dunya will lead to forgiveness of sins and jannah inshaa allaah.

- there is this another hadith mentioning that there will be people admitted to jannah who have hearts of birds. in my humble opinion wallaahu aclam, i think that the hadith is referring to humble hearted people who mind their own business instead of being in other people's business and generally have no ill will towards anyone.

also, someone mentioned mother teresa, well it's mentioned in the quran that allah will gather the christians on judgement day and allah will ask jesus calayhisalaam if he ( jesus ) taught the christians to worship him and his mother instead of allah, and jesus calayhisalaam would replay and say "subhaanallaah i've only taught them what u have taught me, and that if you ( allah ) chose to punish them ( the christians ) then they're your servants, and if you choose to forgive them, then you are exalted in might and wise." so maybe allah will forgive alot of christians despite their shirk, walaahu aclam.

and last but not least, islam is a blessing from allah. if you were born into islam, then allah is giving you an opportunity to accumulate so much hasanaat ( each hasana is multiplied by ten ) so take advantage of it and make your way into the higher levels of jannah inshaa allaah.

[Alphanumeric]

And those who disbelieved will be driven to Hell in groups, till, when they reach it, the gates thereof will be opened (suddenly like a prison at the arrival of the prisoners). And its keepers will say, "Did not the Messengers come to you from yourselves, reciting to you the Verses of your Lord, and warning you of the Meeting of this Day of yours?" They will say: "Yes, but the Word of torment has been justified against the disbelievers!"

It will be said (to them): "Enter you the gates of Hell, to abide therein. And (indeed) what an evil abode of the arrogant!" (Az-Zumar 39:71-72)

[grandpakhalif]

no, mataan you are wrong, that ayat about christians going to hell has been abbrograted by another ayat where Allah says that the only acceptable religion to him is islam anything else will be rejected.


and no shirk is not forgiven once the pereson dies Islam makes clear of this.

For example the Prophet's uncle ABU TAALIB he did so much for the prophet he took care of him protected him from harm cushioned him from the extremist Qurashi mushriks.

So isn't Abu taalib the perfect candidate for heaven? But noooo he is going to hell although he receives lighter treatment relative to the others in hell.

so ur theory is WRONG.

[Mataan_Ciideed]

^^
Holy Quran 7:199 "Accept the easing, order with fine jurisprudence, and AVOID THE IGNORANT."

grandakhalif

you make good points, and i'm not saying that I'm 100% sure of my theory ( allaahu aclam ), but what do you make of allah mentioning several times in the quran that allah forgives whom he wills and allah punishes whom he wills?.

[grandpakhalif]

Allah specified what is the unforgivable sin, shirk therefore your argument of mercy is invalid.

[Alphanumeric]

Sure thing dude.

[Mataan_Ciideed]

okay khalif, let's say shirk can't be forgiven, but what about kafaara? can't allah expediate shirk ( ascribing devinity to jesus ) through a disease like cancer ( hugo chaves ).
there's a difference between istiqfaar ( forgiveness through allah's mercy ) and kafaara ( expediation of sins through some type of suffering which is an indirect form of mercy from allah )

by the way, im not asking you the questions as if you're a scholar ( caalim ), i just want you to think about em a little bit.