When will Somalis move forward?

[SultanOrder]

I feel like our people are still in the pre-historic age. When will somalis move from collectivism: collective guilt, collective success; to individualism. Individual success, individual blame. Why should the son carry the sins of the father? Isn't that against our religion?

Let us grow up Somalis, and move away from tribes, and into the age of individualism.

[AgentOfChaos]

We will move forward when qabyaalad dies, so I would say in the year 5438 or later, just kidding, that will never happen.

[salool]

Intay somali is waydiineyso "qoloma ayaad tahay" waligoodna meelna gaadhi maayan.

[igotkatzngingersnapz]

bt bt bt... collectivsm is at tha <3 of somali culture

reel tawk

[srsbsns]

The concept of individualism is rooted in liberal ideology and in time manifests into a cult of the self(man is god etc..). Islam dictates collectivism not individualism dude. Stop being brainwashed by eurocentric ideals.

[Yohannes]

Maybe when they hang all people above the age of 50.

[GeoSeven]

I feel like our people are still in the pre-historic age. When will somalis move from collectivism: collective guilt, collective success; to individualism. Individual success, individual blame. Why should the son carry the sins of the father? Isn't that against our religion?

Let us grow up Somalis, and move away from tribes, and into the age of individualism.

The tribe has its benefits one might argue but I totally agree with you

[Khalid Ali]

Never the tribal identity is much more alive than anything int he world. we have 4.5 tribal system which gives people all the space of the world to claim complete supremacy over minority tribes. And ofcourse the duopoly in place the daarood and hawiye, and even they will go at each other to fight for the resources. And only one can become the winner. in the Somali civil war no one won the civil war. And god send from heaven tribal federalism every one is talking about tribal federalism and every one will claim a piece of land RIP modern Somali statehood. The day you were born into a tribe you as the daarood PO you were taught to love General Siyad Bare , and the mad cow , because they were from your tribe. The day you were born you were put into the category of daarood, the same with the hawiye and the rest. The zero sum politics we can never share our camels our ancestors never shared their camels it was every one on is own. Your success as a tribe will be bad for other tribes. You cannot move away from tribes the day hassan sheikh maxamuud was elected we already knew his supporters and his opponents. The tribal identity is rooted in our social behavior it cannot be eliminated from Somali the society.The only way tribalism to be defeated is if a group like shabaab rises up but all of you hate alshabaab and want tribal federalism. People prefer ethiopian kenyan ugandan troops than the Alshabaab. So tribalism will stay Somalis never before 1960 never shared a state or a kingdom it will be very hard for them to share a country.

[Thuganomics]

The concept of individualism is rooted in liberal ideology and in time manifests into a cult of the self(man is god etc..). Islam dictates collectivism not individualism dude. Stop being brainwashed by eurocentric ideals.

Islam is against the concept of Go it alone,be your own man crap that's spewed by western think tanks
We are the Ummah of Nabi Mohamed (saw) and an Ummah denotes a collective.It's funny when faced by a common "Bogus" enemy.How the west suddenly leaves individualism by the wayside and start propagating us and them policies.
To the point that even their journalist have to tow the line.The like of Noam Chomsky and other free thinkers are silenced because of their views .Don't believe the hype PO

[grandpakhalif]

tribalism is not only thriving but has successfully institutionalized itself in every facet of Somali life. I expect it go no where anytime soon.

[SultanOrder]

So long as we have tribes, we will be many nations within one nation. When what we need more than ever is one nation.


Khalid Ali, blah blah, I am more than some ancestor that may or may not of existed a long time ago. If we were able to come under qabil banners for neccessity, then the same thing can happen for nationhood.


Thug, nevertheless, we need to make an evolution from tribal politics, and start coming under a state, which can unify what tribes couldn't.

[CaliBurco]

Start with your household first.

Personally speaking, clannism and collectivism has saved my clan, my family and I.

[igotkatzngingersnapz]

Start with your household first.

Personally speaking, clannism and collectivism has saved my clan, my family and I.

how?

[Khalid Ali]

So long as we have tribes, we will be many nations within one nation. When what we need more than ever is one nation.


Khalid Ali, blah blah, I am more than some ancestor that may or may not of existed a long time ago. If we were able to come under qabil banners for neccessity, then the same thing can happen for nationhood.


Thug, nevertheless, we need to make an evolution from tribal politics, and start coming under a state, which can unify what tribes couldn't.

You can deny it try to be independent from it try to think as an individual but you will always be classified as one
We never came under nationhood as people, it was always like this in the sixties there was lots of tribal politics , during kacaaan the first 10 years we acted as a nation the last 10 years we said fuck it lets go back to our roots and ever since tolaahyey yaa reer hebel ah . The state is something we do not know what it is it restricts us to take advantage of other clans , but sometimes the state can be useful you can use the state resources and create a single tribal hegemony over the rest

[BlackVelvet]

We have a system where the president HAS to nominate a PM not based on his CV but primarily his qabiil. So it will take a while