China next superpower?

[saacJabshee]

Very interesting question. What will china behavior be like towards Somaliweyn and other muslim nation? Right now the only muslim nation that have problem with china is Syria. i think personally if china becomes a superpower it won't be as violent the current superpower and allies. In fact I think they'll stay dominate economically only. They wont force their ideologies that our throats.

Then there is the issue 'handing' the superpower status. Will the US simply accept this fate without any violence. Supposed a war kicked off. Would china win? i have my doubts about china winning. They (china) might have 2.285.000 active personal in their military which is scary! the question arises then is, can they ship all their men to an oversea battle ground? Can their navy secure a water way route for this to happen? my answer to that is no. My believe is china's navy will be ripped to shreds by south Korea and japan navy on one side, then nato navy on the other. So all these huge numbers wont mean a thing since the west arent stupid enough to start a ground invasion. See war is not really in china interest because they'll be on their own. You might then bring nuclear up? the answer is no they wont us any. The deal is they'll only use their nuclear in retaliation only! so in theory if the west don't use china wont either. So how will they rise to the top and maintain their position at the top? any ideas friends?

[hydrogen]

China has morals in their politics.

[saacJabshee]

China has morals in their politics.

watch the doc 1st pal

[gurey25]

This all depends on if they pull off their 2030 plan that the new premier addressed.
They plan to move away from depending on exports and move trade to the local asian market.
To do this they need to keep up the investment in infrastructure that they have been doing since 1979 that is driving growth.
They are already moving the yuan into the position of a reserve currency like how the US dollar, Euro and Yen are today,
this will be finalized in the next 3-5 years.
They are buying gold like crazy, and have reached the import level of the crazy gold obcssed indians.
The governemnt actually told the chinese people, go and buy gold and they are lining up by the millions.
China produces allot of gold and the government buys all of it, it is also hiding how much it has accumulated.
Officially it is 1500 tonnes but its probably edging towards 10,000 now, close to the EU level of 12,000 tonnes.
The plan also involves urbanizing most of the 1350 million Chinese people.
So if they pull it off China will have the GDP higher than the US, and besides the US economy will be crashing by then as the dollar will crash. As the US adjusts to living on a budget for the first time since 1945, it will not have the money to spend on its millitary and china can do what reagan did to the soviet union by starting another arms race.
This time on a broke US that cannot afford it.
China will also catch up technologically with the US by then, it is only 10 years away on some of the critical technologies today.

All this will require resources and this is where the secret war goes on.
The US depends on the dollar remaining a reserve currency, this is why you can only buy oil in dollars
and if you try to do anything else they will come and bring democracy to your country.
They do something similar with the rest of the critical commodities that are essential to the world economy,
like copper,iron, nickel, cadmium, molybdenum etc etc.
They dont care if a country sells all its copper to china for example,
but this transaction has to go through western banks preferably american banks, all these transactions come with insurance, and loans and allot of financial instruments.

China of course wanst to access these goods directly , preferably paying for it with yuan or barter of goods.
China does not mind real trade, will give you cheap loans to build your country and will not enslave you financially.

If china gets access to fair and free trade that is mutually beneficial to developing countries and china,
then it wins and the US and the west loses.

If the US succeeds it gains another couple of decades or more before their entire system collapses from all that debt.
China growth slows and it could face internal issues.

Now you understand the need for bases in afghanistan and why Iraq was invaded.

[saacJabshee]

I appreciate what you wrote saxiib. I am quite clumsy and not as clear as you. Suppose china did manage their 2030 plan. would there be a war between them and the US? Also am i right in saying. If the US dollar collapses, can they still manage and maintain a war with china. After all they have all the all the weapons and systems needed. China will always be playing catch up. The American Stealth fighters aren't combat worthy yet. imagine china stealth fighter which the US claim china stole technical documents for it. It cant be ready either. Plus all EU and US aren't going to stand for this.

[gurey25]

Why fight? nobody gains an advantage from war.
Both sides are using each other, so there will not be a war between them, at least untill they dont need each other.
at least untill 2030 + at that time the US will also not fight due to it being an equal fight.
The US has not fought someone that could fight back since Korea.

China is the home of Sun Tzu after all,
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

they wrote the book on this subject mate, they know what they are doing.

[DANGIRL]

Time to learn Mandarin!!!

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Why fight? nobody gains an advantage from war.
Both sides are using each other, so there will not be a war between them, at least untill they dont need each other.
at least untill 2030 + at that time the US will also not fight due to it being an equal fight.
The US has not fought someone that could fight back since Korea.

China is the home of Sun Tzu after all,
Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
“Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”
― Sun Tzu, The Art of War

they wrote the book on this subject mate, they know what they are doing.

I've got a copy of AOW and to me it's just full of partly vague and partly obvious maxims that provide no practical use. I prefer von Clausewitz and Jomini.

[gurey25]

to be honest "on war" by Clausewitz and AOW are like 2 blind people feeling an elephant and trying to describe it from 2 different ends.
They are similiar but also different.
The main difference is that von clausewitz was more specidic and "less vague" as you put it because he was reacting to napolean turning the world upside down by defeating all the armies of europe that were professionals with years of training,
using nearly untrained conscripts.
Sun Tzu saw things from a higher level philosophically and this is why although some of clausewitz views are outdated and can be argued no longer relevant, AOW is and will always be relevant as long as humans wage war, be it in the jungles, in the cities,or in space.

[Spec2014]

China will become Asia's powerhouse but America still remains the top dog.The oil fields of the world are in America's sphere of influence. It still boasts the most well equipped military, largest air force & the only global naval fleet that is unchallenged on the high seas. The United States has proven they are willing to play dirty & even invade another country for resources if need be. Also the United States has been absorbing human resources in the form of immigrants like crazy to off set the imminent retirement of baby boomers who will be leaving the workforce. Immigration amnesty reforms is for this very purpose.America is also tapping into vast domestic energy reserves.The U.S also sits on some of the most fertile agricultural lands on the planet for growing wheat, corn & other crops. Its had boots on the ground or of the coast of Africa for a while as well.America is 3 steps ahead of everyone else what appears on the outside as reckless & brutish behavior by the United States is actually well rehearsed & calculated.

[gurey25]

The fundementals of the US economy are excellent,
its got a vast pool of skilled manpower, vast resources, especially energy resources.
The problem is that the coporations/banks are in charge of the economy, completley in charge this time,
and they do not share any decision making or planning with the government.
This is a problem because they do not think about the well being of the people or country , but about profit.
They are not acting like a sentient creature more like a virus, and this thinking has been destroying the US economy for decades now.
The US has been de-industrializing since the 70's, its o bad now that when the Navy wants to build a new aircraft carrier,
allot of the Steel comes from japan and Korea and Germany.
There is no US manufacturer with the skill to build large structures from steel alloys.
Most of the advanced electronics and equipment to build advanced electronics is sourced from japan.
There is no US company that can produce pure sillicon, there are 5 companies that dominate the world market
4 japanese and 1 german company.
There are only 3 companies that can build steppers( which print chips),
2 japanese companies and 1 dutch.

The fake money supply is now approaching 99% and so is fake economic activity, as in the speculation on derivatives.
The US economy is around 14 trillion dollars but the derivative market .i.e the global casino is more than 140 trillion and growing at an incredible rate.
Quantitative easing i.e printing more money is dumping inflation on the rest of the world, and because the dollar is the reserve currency of the world, we are all paying for US's military spending.
Its like a credit card that all of us get together and pay for and the US spends it.
This will all end soon, in our lifetime it all depends on how skilled they are in bluffing,


Its a life and death struggle for the US when controlling the oil supply, because if nobody is forced to use dollars to buy oil,
there is no demand for dollars and the free ride is over and they have to pay their bills on their own for the first time since 1971.
This means they cannot afford any military adventures, and spending will go down to 2-3% like any normal country.
they will also need to be more efficient and economical because the massive corruption means that currently the 500 billion they spend on the military is not getting enough bang for the buck, because the Chinese spend it more efficiently.
The massive corruption in the US and stupidity like the F-35 fiasco means that in the next 20 years when they need to spend money on the next generation of weapons systems to stay ahead of the rest of the world, is the same time when they are broke and also when the rest of the world has caught up and probably exceeded them in technology.

[InoCabdi]

china is worse than america.
Chinese muslims are oppressed much more than other places. Many of them were even stopped to fast in ramadhan.
Research if you want.

[InoCabdi]

Israel is likely to be the next superpower

[gurey25]

how is isreal a nation of 7 million 6 of them jews be a superpower?
Italy has a higher GDP percapita than isreal.

[InoCabdi]

how is isreal a nation of 7 million 6 of them jews be a superpower?
Italy has a higher GDP percapita than isreal.

Yes it will be. I know it's surprising. And also, Israel will attack iran. It'll take long, but it will.