Mecca for the Rich

[Grant]

What is happening to Islam?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 60114.html

"Behind closed doors – in places where the religious police cannot listen in – residents of Mecca are beginning to refer to their city as Las Vegas, and the moniker is not a compliment."

You can now spend up to $7,000 a night for a room to stay while you perform the Hajj. ( So much for the equality of two white sheets.)

This expansion, and the one in Medina, came at the cost of 90% of the early Islamic sites. If the Wahhabi clerics have their way, these will soon join them in oblivion:

"Bayt al-Mawlid

When the Wahabis took Mecca in the 1920s they destroyed the dome on top of the house where the Prophet Mohammed was born. It was then used as a cattle market before being turned into a library after a campaign by Meccans. There are concerns that the expansion of the Grand Mosque will destroy it once more. The site has never been excavated by archaeologists.

Ottoman and Abasi columns of the Grand Mosque

Slated for demolition as part of the Grand Mosque expansion, these intricately carved columns date back to the 17th century and are the oldest surviving sections of Islam's holiest site. Much to the chagrin of Wahabis, they are inscribed with the names of the Prophet's companions. Ottomon Mecca is now rapidly disappearing

Al-Masjid an-Nabawi

For many years, hardline Wahabi clerics have had their sites set on the 15th century green dome that rests above the tomb holding the Prophet, Abu Bakr and Umar in Medina. The mosque is regarded as the second holiest site in Islam. Wahabis, however, believe marked graves are idolatrous. A pamphlet published in 2007 by the Saudi Ministry of Islamic Affairs, endorsed by Abdulaziz Al Sheikh, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, stated that "the green dome shall be demolished and the three graves flattened in the Prophet's Masjid".

Jabal al-Nour

A mountain outside Mecca where Mohammed received his first Koranic revelations. The Prophet used to spend long spells in a cave called Hira. The cave is particularly popular among South Asian pilgrims who have carved steps up to its entrance and adorned the walls with graffiti. Religious hardliners are keen to dissuade pilgrims from congregating there and have mooted the idea of removing the steps and even destroying the mountain altogether."

The message to Turkey, Iran, Indonesia, etc is simple: complain and we will cut off your citizen's Hajj visas. How many here think that situation is stable?

[Even123]

i think one day a war might be waged against Saudi arabia for the transgression and hostility they have shown towards muslim countries by claiming mecca as their own property!

[Amirsade]

There is KFC Dine In and Hilton Hotel right in front of the Haram, but to compare the holy city to sin city is Satanicly wrong, I applaud the Saudis for managing 2.5 Million Haji's every year and providing for them the services needed to perform the hajj.

Mecca is for those that can afford, there isn't such thing as broke heading for pilgrimage, how ever you can choose to stay at a fancy hotel or stay with the simple living afghans in the mountains with out a tent.

[Hyperactive]

lol i wonder what else saudi government would do to please their western masters to be happy with them! Alhamdullilah we have quran and sunnah.

Allah most truthful in quran said;

وَلَنْ تَرْضَىٰ عَنْكَ الْيَهُودُ وَلَا النَّصَارَىٰ حَتَّىٰ تَتَّبِعَ مِلَّتَهُمْ قُلْ إِنَّ هُدَى اللَّهِ هُوَ الْهُدَىٰ وَلَئِنِ اتَّبَعْتَ أَهْوَاءَهُمْ بَعْدَ الَّذِي جَاءَكَ مِنَ الْعِلْمِ مَا لَكَ مِنَ اللَّهِ مِنْ وَلِيٍّ وَلَا نَصِيرٍ
Never will the Jews or the Christians be satisfied with thee unless thou follow their form of religion. Say: "The Guidance of Allah,-that is the (only) Guidance." Wert thou to follow their desires after the knowledge which hath reached thee, then wouldst thou find neither Protector nor helper against Allah.

[Grant]

Hyper,

The West has a "World Heritage" interest in the early Islamic sites. That's about it. Those who complain of the destruction on a religious basis are non-Wahhaabbi Muslims. Here is the protest history of the destruction of the Jannat al Baqi:

http://www.al-islam.org/history-of-the- ... at-al-baqi

[Hyperactive]

grant and clearly, muslim or wahabis as you call them disagree on that thing only. i wish if saudi government stick to salaf guideline more and more and destroy anything could lead shirk such graves of prophet or even sahabah. but saudis are selective and are good to westerns and bad for muslims. i wish some one like bin ladin one day could control holly places of muslims.

[abdikarim86]

I've never understood these people's interest in our holy sites.
What business is it of theirs?

You don't see Muslims concerning themselves with Vatican or
where ever the hell it is they worship at.

[Hyperactive]

I've never understood these people's interest in our holy sites.
What business is it of theirs?

You don't see Muslims concerning themselves with Vatican or
where ever the hell it is they worship at.

bro, they dont care even their own religion. odeygan wo iska walaya.

even if we follow them to the end. they wouldnt be happy. wa logooyo doon. wa shaitanka o kale.

[hargaysaay]

Islam is a soul and body they could not break , so every inch of that body and soul is gonna sound interesting to them .

[Grant]

I've never understood these people's interest in our holy sites.
What business is it of theirs?

You don't see Muslims concerning themselves with Vatican or
where ever the hell it is they worship at.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/the ... -ricochets

"Sunday’s suicide bombing of a Christian church in Pakistan continues to shake the largely Muslim nation. The government declared three days of mourning for the dozens killed. Thousands of people, from lawyers to students, have joined Christians in countrywide protests.

Just as important, the terrorist attack – which two groups with Taliban links have claimed responsibility for – has pushed many moderate Muslims to look again at how government itself treats religious minorities, including Shiites. At least one major party, the Pakistan Movement for Justice, wants a review of strict blasphemy laws that severely penalize any perceived critic of Islam. In the past, politicians have been shot for even suggesting such a move.

If Pakistan now acts to ensure that civic values such as freedom of conscience play a dominant role over radical Islam, it will not be alone in the Muslim world. In recent weeks, both Egypt and Tunisia have seen popular uprisings against Islamists who try to impose their interpretation of the Quran on government or who exclude from power those who disagree with them."

The Wahhaabbi portion of Islam still takes an interest.

[Reacher]

If you let some muslims rule Mecca, they would have the prophet's grave adorned in gold. I would never visit(except for Hajj), would never live, and never desire to go to Saudi Arabia. With that said, and despite my disgust with Arabs in general, I agree with the Saudis keeping an eye on the prophet's grave and those of his companions. There would be no single stone of these graves left if some muslims had access to them. They would disappear for blessings. If there was no Islam, I would find my own monotheistic religion like Abraham did peace be upon him. There is nothing more lowly than the worship of a human being regardless of who that person is in status.

[STARKAST]

Vatican for the rich ?
Stupid statements again.

Peoples use of Islam is problematic but this still doesn't compare 1 inch compared to 500 yrs of blood thirsty Christian imperialism.

Christian imperialism the world still recovering from ! Somalis are recovering from.

Ask me and i'll give you about 100 examples.

[Grant]

Some folks need to read a little history:

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/ ... alism.html


Paul Fregosi in his book Jihad in the West: Muslim Conquests from the 7th to the 21st Centuries calls Islamic Jihad “the most unrecorded and disregarded major event of history. It has, in fact, been largely ignored,” although it has been a fact of life in Europe, Asia and Africa for almost 1400 years. As Fregosi says, “Western colonization of nearby Muslim lands lasted 130 years, from the 1830s to the 1960s. Muslim colonization of nearby European lands lasted 1300 years, from the 600s to the mid-1960s. Yet, strangely, it is the Muslims…who are the most bitter about colonialism and the humiliations to which they have been subjected; and it is the Europeans who harbor the shame and the guilt. It should be the other way around.”

Islamic Jihad raids started in the Mediterranean in the seventh century AD. A proto-typical Muslim naval razzia occurred in 846 when a fleet of Arab Jihadists arrived at the mouth of the Tiber, made their way to Rome, sacked the city, and carried away from the basilica of St. Peter all of the gold and silver it contained. The reason why the Vatican became a “city within the city” in Rome with fortifications was due to repeated attacks by Muslims (Saracens). Here is a quote from the book Rome: Art & Architecture, edited by Marco Bussagli:

Leo IV’s major building project is generally considered to be the fortification of the Vatican area. After the devastation wrought by the Saracens in St. Peter’s, profoundly shocking to the Christian world, it was decided to fortify the area around St. Peter’s tomb. Leo III had already made this decision, but little had been done because of the theft of the materials set aside for the job. Leo IV, who had already undertaken the repair of the Aurelian walls, gates, and towers, organized the work in such a way that within four years he saw it complete. On June 27, 852 the ceremony of consecration of the walls was performed, in the presence of the pope and clergy, who, barefoot and with heads smeared with ashes, processed round the entire circuit of the fortifications, sprinkling them with holy water and at every gate calling on divine protection against the enemy that threatened the inhabitants. The enclosed area was to take on the status of a city in its own right, which was both separate and distinct from the Urbe of Rome, despite its proximity to it.


Such attacks were the rule in many regions of Eurasia, not just in Europe. Indian historian K. S. Lal states that wherever Jihadists conquered a territory, “there developed a system of slavery peculiar to the clime, terrain, and populace of the place.” When Muslim armies invaded India, “its people began to be enslaved in droves to be sold in foreign lands or employed in various capacities on menial and not-so-menial jobs within the country.”

While the Arabs dominated during the early centuries of the Islamic era, the Turks soon converted and surpassed them as a force. As they steadily conquered more and more of Anatolia, the Turks reduced many Greeks and other non-Muslims there to slave status: “They enslaved men, women, and children from all major urban centers and from the countryside.” Turkish attacks on nearby European lands lasted well into the modern era."
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Muslims tend to forget that the Crusades were an attempt to take back the Holy Land and the sacred Christian sites, which had previously been Christian since before AD 425. Christian lands were colonized by Muslims, and not the reverse. Hagia Sophia in Istanbul was originally Santa Sophia in Constantinople.

Compared to the Islamic world, European colonialism was relatively brief and benign.
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[STARKAST]

^ Your my very senior so i'm guessing you've lived through your countries attacks/false flags/orchestrated coups/invasions/undermining/funding of terrorist groups/funding of dictators/arms sales/shoud i list another 50 ? I could and i can list even mainstream evidence such as this.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-23762970

Your Christian countries (Amerikkka) very existence rests on quantitative easing and the military–industrial complex - the very bedrock that is inherently foreign and domestic blood.
You even killed Chavez.

You Christians are also the no.1 killers of Jews, do you want proof for this statement ?

So don't try that typical shit. You (USA+Europe) are the problem you always were.

The difference between Us and You is that even till this day non-whites are still slaves and this includes even USA blacks etc etc. Ever hear of the IMF, Global south.

Next time present some post-enlightenment examples. Oh i forget there aren't.

[Minneapolis Mayor]

I agree with the Mufti. There is no Hadith that says the Prophets grave or Abubakar or Cumar's graves should be visible. It need to be flattened. So many Ahlu Shirk Sufis are going to Mecca to Warship those graves. We need to follow the prophets words and deeds not his graves. Other than those places which we need for acmaalul Hajj, Everything else need to be bulldozed. We should not give this ahlu Bidca Suufis the Slightest chance to warship other than allah.