over 139 mps signed anti-motion, news: pm is going 2 resign

[The`Republic]

It may be true or not, but you basically copied verbatim this article whicb is circulating some tabloid websites

http://caasimada.com/mooshin-ka-dhan-ah ... baheystay/

[Twisted_Logic]

This whole episode has showcased the serious malfunctions in the Prime Minister's office & the inability of his team to professionally asses & make informed decisions. It is also a reflection of how this government has conducted business & sabotaged Saacid's genuine attempts to govern & resuscitate this fucked up nation of ours. The best possible outcome for Saacid is to resign gracefully instead of being humiliated in the parliament as his political antagonists will surely do in the coming days.

Moving forward, I hope the lesson derived from this unfortunate episode is the necessity of prime ministers to steer their own ship without the meddling & underminings of individuals at the PM's office that are essentially motivated by greed, gangsterism & treason.

[sahal80]

Voltage it wasn't my opinion so what copy? I said according to the "news" and is not that site btw I don't read it bc its pro...the news is in every where. Mida kale websiteyada copy the same news. When I say news its not my sources.

Pm saacid hasn't got enough mps and is close to resign

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

Kan sahal la dhaho muxu pm ka ugu waashay...cantarpaqshku so akhriyaba intu kula so ordaa..war mesha ka fadhiso..caqli nusyahow

[Smile-LiKe-SuN-RiSE]

Don't roll ur eyes at me

[MrPrestige]

This is getting boring. Does southern politics revolve around resignations?

[sahal80]

Don't roll ur eyes at me

Ok smile. I see this as national issue. Don't worry we are heading to welcome the third gedo pm.

[FarhanYare]

Voltage it wasn't my opinion so what copy? I said according to the "news" and is not that site btw I don't read it bc its pro...the news is in every where. Mida kale websiteyada copy the same news. When I say news its not my sources.

Pm saacid hasn't got enough mps and is close to resign

Amin qof ka fakanayo majirto

[Murax]

^^

I agree man. Amin Amir is just ruthless


Either way if it turns out indeed Saacid is booted out then there needs to be a serious discussion about the PM ship and what little it means. I predict the reaction from this will be people realizing that this Gov is a Hawiye maamul of Mogadishu and that Natl powersharing and things of that nature are lies. My prediction is saacid gets canned and the fragmentation of Somalia will continue. Every region/clan will tell the Gov to basically fck off unless they are President. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out.

[Twisted_Logic]

^^

I agree man. Amin Amir is just ruthless


Either way if it turns out indeed Saacid is booted out then there needs to be a serious discussion about the PM ship and what little it means. I predict the reaction from this will be people realizing that this Gov is a Hawiye maamul of Mogadishu and that Natl powersharing and things of that nature are lies. My prediction is saacid gets canned and the fragmentation of Somalia will continue. Every region/clan will tell the Gov to basically fck off unless they are President. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out.

LOL that's a wishful thinking.

But these constant squabbles between the Pres & PM. should be defined & I feel that it simply a case of growing pains & institutions finding their place in the constitution. This is why the constitution completion process should have been completed by now & it's a failure of the cabinet led by PM Saacid. In the future, I predict these problems will persist and with credible judiciary, we can all benefit from these disagreements as a nation in the long run with solid institutions that are grounded in the rule of law.

[Murax]

Twisted Logic,


Bro I notice a major of contradiction in Your post. For one You talk about the failure of the PM's cabinet, yet the cabinet was handpicked by the President. The cabinet failure is a direct indictment of Xassan Sh. As for the growing pains You speak of this chapter was supposed to be closed during the transitional era. A consitution was passed, and boundries between the different executive branches clearly defined. Anyways, it wasn't wishful thinking on My part but My analysis of the situation. Cabdirashid sharmake, Farmaajo, Gaas during the Shariif era and now in Xassan Sh's 1st year on the job looks like Saacid is out. What does this prove? That the PM is really a useless position, with the ministries, parlimient speaker etc. being even more of a joke. So essentially what You have is power centered around the President instead of a actual Government that is layered with clearly defined roles and nobody creeping out of the scope of their role. No matter how You slice it Somalia is not going to embrace Central rule, nor is that even a possibility considering the Federal Constitution. I think the reality that the only role with authority in this Government is the President the most predictable outcome is aggressive fragmentation of the Country will be kicked into overdrive. Nobody is gonna feel confident in the entire Somali Government resting on the shoulders of 1 man (Xassan Sh) or a clique (Dam Jadiid)

[AbdiWahab252]

Twisted Logic,


Bro I notice a major of contradiction in Your post. For one You talk about the failure of the PM's cabinet, yet the cabinet was handpicked by the President. The cabinet failure is a direct indictment of Xassan Sh. As for the growing pains You speak of this chapter was supposed to be closed during the transitional era. A consitution was passed, and boundries between the different executive branches clearly defined. Anyways, it wasn't wishful thinking on My part but My analysis of the situation. Cabdirashid sharmake, Farmaajo, Gaas during the Shariif era and now in Xassan Sh's 1st year on the job looks like Saacid is out. What does this prove? That the PM is really a useless position, with the ministries, parlimient speaker etc. being even more of a joke. So essentially what You have is power centered around the President instead of a actual Government that is layered with clearly defined roles and nobody creeping out of the scope of their role. No matter how You slice it Somalia is not going to embrace Central rule, nor is that even a possibility considering the Federal Constitution. I think the reality that the only role with authority in this Government is the President the most predictable outcome is aggressive fragmentation of the Country will be kicked into overdrive. Nobody is gonna feel confident in the entire Somali Government resting on the shoulders of 1 man (Xassan Sh) or a clique (Dam Jadiid)

Murax,

To the winner so go the spoils ! Seriously, federalism will not work for Somalia. Constitution ? My God ! You have functionally illiterate people holding key posts in government. These folks couldn't run a local PTA here in VA. The only solution for Somalia is a strong central government lead by a strong executive and a more defined autonomous regional governments (based on a radical 4.5 formula - You need presentatives from all those groups to be in your proposed mamuul). Either way, don't hold your hopes up with such a weak management team.

Personally, I think it would be much more prudent for SOmalia to go under a Trusteeship managed by 1 representative from the EU, 1 representative from the US, 1 representative from the Chinese, 1 representative from Arab League, 1 representative from the African Union. They should then select a caretaker government of Somali technocrats being supervised by foreign experts to rebuild the nation from the bottom up. After about 20 years, they should turn it over to a new generation of Somali leadership.

The current model can not work. The alternative is for the international community to pull its troops out and let the toughest group dominate and suppress the others. It should then deal with the winner and form a pragmatic relationship.

Either way, we get stabilized leadership by consensus (Trusteeship) or by consolidation (war of attrition)

[oxymoron]

^^

I agree man. Amin Amir is just ruthless


Either way if it turns out indeed Saacid is booted out then there needs to be a serious discussion about the PM ship and what little it means. I predict the reaction from this will be Marehan realizing that this Gov is a Hawiye maamul of Mogadishu and that Natl powersharing and things of that nature are lies. My prediction is saacid gets canned and the fragmentation of Somalia will continue. Every region/clan will tell the Gov to basically fck off unless they are President. Gonna be interesting to see how this plays out.

Come on board we been waiting a whole year for beesha to realize, what the rest of us have ages ago.

Finally common sense has prevailed, walle I did not know it would only take PM Saacid being forced to resign to make the blind see again.

ps:
Qof kuu digey kuma dilin.

[oxymoron]

Twisted Logic,


Bro I notice a major of contradiction in Your post. For one You talk about the failure of the PM's cabinet, yet the cabinet was handpicked by the President. The cabinet failure is a direct indictment of Xassan Sh. As for the growing pains You speak of this chapter was supposed to be closed during the transitional era. A consitution was passed, and boundries between the different executive branches clearly defined. Anyways, it wasn't wishful thinking on My part but My analysis of the situation. Cabdirashid sharmake, Farmaajo, Gaas during the Shariif era and now in Xassan Sh's 1st year on the job looks like Saacid is out. What does this prove? That the PM is really a useless position, with the ministries, parlimient speaker etc. being even more of a joke. So essentially what You have is power centered around the President instead of a actual Government that is layered with clearly defined roles and nobody creeping out of the scope of their role. No matter how You slice it Somalia is not going to embrace Central rule, nor is that even a possibility considering the Federal Constitution. I think the reality that the only role with authority in this Government is the President the most predictable outcome is aggressive fragmentation of the Country will be kicked into overdrive. Nobody is gonna feel confident in the entire Somali Government resting on the shoulders of 1 man (Xassan Sh) or a clique (Dam Jadiid)

Murax,

To the winner so go the spoils ! Seriously, federalism will not work for Somalia. Constitution ? My God ! You have functionally illiterate people holding key posts in government. These folks couldn't run a local PTA here in VA. The only solution for Somalia is a strong central government lead by a strong executive and a more defined autonomous regional governments (based on a radical 4.5 formula - You need presentatives from all those groups to be in your proposed mamuul). Either way, don't hold your hopes up with such a weak management team.

4.5 was the best thing to happen for hawiye since Islam.

The 4.5 formula has reached it's expiration date, excepting such a ridiculous method of Power sharing was the ultimate failure of our past leaders. They did it in good faith, but a total imbalance of political reality and power on the ground.

Parliament is suppose to represent actual political power, not some make believe bullshit like what we have today.

There is nothing fair about Power iyo politics. Hassan will be the last to come to power with 4.5 and will be shown the door when real political representation is caste across the nation or a Parliament that is not 4.5 come to power 2016.

[Twisted_Logic]

Murux,

I reject this narrative that PM Saacid had no input in this cabinet. He did & he still has his loyalists in the cabinet. Also, the PM had a free hand in running the domestic affairs of the country; unfortunately, he was sabotaged by his inner circle in appointing corrupt, devious & shady people who undermined the government's agenda. Saacid was warned in July to make amends & tie the loose ends. Unfortunately, he did not react to the recommendations by the President & Speaker of the parliament. Things reached a point whereby International Pressure became too sustained & forceful to make drastic changes which culminated with the President's request to have the PM resign.

This is not to say that there are no problems in the President's office. There are & they are numerous & I have been saying for a while that unless the president carries out a serious & real overhaul of his administrative staff & advisors, Saacid's departure will be much ado about nothing & people will begin to see the president as the real problem.

As far as the constitutional question is concerned, as long as the President is selecting his prime minister & not the parliament, he will have more influence than the PM. That's just the democratic imperative.