One crucial thing I dislike about Somali girls

[Adali]

aahay, it is true, Hijab is just cloth, don't idolize cloth to the point where you want to ban sinners from wearing it, that is innovation my friend.

You should be thankful that when you see a hijabi girl booty shaking, you have a strong incentive to close your eyes and turn away as you're reminded by God, when I see a non-hijabi do the same, I am not reminded of God, modesty and Islam, and so the lust takes over.

One of the tricks of the Shaydaan is to call you a hypocrite, just because you sinned doesn't mean you should drop it all, now if we as men tell women who sin and do bad stuff, that they might as well take off the scarf because it is hypocritical, well we are doing the Shaydaan's job for him are we not.

we should turn away and close our eyes from this filth, or try to encourage them to be more modest, what we shouldn't do is tell them to take off their hijab, that simply doesn't do anything good for them or us, we should be on Team Allah, not Team Shaydaan.

[Sophisticate]

No one is promoting taking the hijab off. Consistency I suppose and not vilifying others.

I never said you are promoting it, but you are on some what of a PR campaign, not that there is nothing wrong with that. I was just making mention of that.

If you say so. I just find it simplistic to say that one that wears or does not wear the hijab is innately virtuous. I have a feeling that most logical people would agree with me. You guys also always fixate on Somali females, irrespective of their garb. Perhaps we should shine the light on Somali males. Shall we portray them one-dimensionally and discuss the day time sheikhs with a nighlife? Tis a shame they are incapable of self-governing and appropriate conduct, rather they are overcome by heat and/or 'evil' spirits. Or perhaps we shall bash the male sell-outs and self-haters that chase skirts indiscriminately.

For the dignified xalimos with pride and knowledge of self we won't denigrate them to make us look better. It just makes us look bad in the end.

[Ismail87]

I knew it was a matter of time before the boys found out we ran local brothels.

[BuuloXubeey]

sophisticate,

I didn't create this thread to bash the Somalis females. Infact I respect my Somali females highly. Afcourse Somali males are no angels. And I also condone the part-time wadaads.

In this discussion I just wanted for people to understand the importance of hijab (modesty). I would choose a non-hijabi good girl any day over a hijabi that doesn't pray and does slutty things.

The girls that carry out slutty things that wear hijab need to quit wearing the hijab thats all I'm promoting. Unless they want to repent its their choice, I'm not hear to preach about choose of life aslong as they respect Islam. I'm here defending Islam (hijab-modesty).

Yeah I know Somalis back home cannot take off their hijab, I'm talkin about the hoejabis of diaspora.

[CushiticReflections]

Interesting.

I hope I wasn't the only one who noticed that the male dancing with her was touching her in inappropriate places and was dancing just as dirty. Yet you're fixated on the female's actions. Don't you think that reveals a double standard? Why can a male behave inappropriately and is not criticized for it but if a female behaves that way, people react as thought she has "disrespected the modesty of Islam"?

The main problem is that people place too much importance on a person's image. You can't judge a person based on their exterior. If one wants to really get to know a person's values and principles, get to know the individual rather than rely on stereotypes and assumptions.

[Tuushi]

Interesting.

I hope I wasn't the only one who noticed that the male dancing with her was touching her in inappropriate places and was dancing just as dirty. Yet you're fixated on the female's actions. Don't you think that reveals a double standard? Why can a male behave inappropriately and is not criticized for it but if a female behaves that way, people react as thought she has "disrespected the modesty of Islam"?

The main problem is that people place too much importance on a person's image. You can't judge a person based on their exterior. If one wants to really get to know a person's values and principles, get to know the individual rather than rely on stereotypes and assumptions.

I dont where u have been but the men never sin.U simply blame the woman for being a walking fitnah.

[BuuloXubeey]

Interesting.

I hope I wasn't the only one who noticed that the male dancing with her was touching her in inappropriate places and was dancing just as dirty. Yet you're fixated on the female's actions. Don't you think that reveals a double standard? Why can a male behave inappropriately and is not criticized for it but if a female behaves that way, people react as thought she has "disrespected the modesty of Islam"?

The main problem is that people place too much importance on a person's image. You can't judge a person based on their exterior. If one wants to really get to know a person's values and principles, get to know the individual rather than rely on stereotypes and assumptions.

Men don't wear hijab. I was not fixated on the girl, but rather the hijab she was wearing.

Also my point was also not about the person's exterior image in order to judge her values and principles. When people see a non-hijabi girl they immediately think she is a slut but I'm totally against that, hence I said there are non-hijab girls that are good. I was simply pointing out the importance of hijab/modesty (xajat). If a girl decides to wear hijab she must act according to it, otherwise it's better for her to remove it.

Surely you can agree with that?

[Estarix]

It has become a subculture!

[BuuloXubeey]

It has become a subculture!

Well hijab shouldn't be treated as cultural attire.

[Estarix]

yh it shouldnt. But i was referring to their behaviour which they had standardised as normal.

[BuuloXubeey]

yh it shouldnt. But i was referring to their behaviour which they had standardised as normal.

Its upto them what they consider normal aslong as they don't disrespect Islam. They can disrespect themselves for all I care.

[CushiticReflections]

I dont where u have been but the men never sin.U simply blame the woman for being a walking fitnah.

Men don't wear hijab. I was not fixated on the girl, but rather the hijab she was wearing.

Also my point was also not about the person's exterior image in order to judge her values and principles.

If a girl decides to wear hijab she must act according to it, otherwise it's better for her to remove it.
Surely you can agree with that?

Surely, you must agree that these are contradictions.

[Sophisticate]

Interesting.

I hope I wasn't the only one who noticed that the male dancing with her was touching her in inappropriate places and was dancing just as dirty. Yet you're fixated on the female's actions. Don't you think that reveals a double standard? Why can a male behave inappropriately and is not criticized for it but if a female behaves that way, people react as thought she has "disrespected the modesty of Islam"?

The main problem is that people place too much importance on a person's image. You can't judge a person based on their exterior. If one wants to really get to know a person's values and principles, get to know the individual rather than rely on stereotypes and assumptions.

Men don't wear hijab. I was not fixated on the girl, but rather the hijab she was wearing.

Also my point was also not about the person's exterior image in order to judge her values and principles. When people see a non-hijabi girl they immediately think she is a slut but I'm totally against that, hence I said there are non-hijab girls that are good. I was simply pointing out the importance of hijab/modesty (xajat). If a girl decides to wear hijab she must act according to it, otherwise it's better for her to remove it.

Surely you can agree with that?

That's the thing you mentioned that by default "non-hijabi" is labelled a slut. That universalizing mentality is fundamentally flawed and it was what I was pointing out. Although I don't wear hijab I don't wear anything that would denote that. In fact, some head to toe hijabis attempted to give me fashion advise suggesting I wear more revealing attire. Are they the undercover freaks you are referring to? Are they attempting to live vicariously through me? Perhaps, but they were confused by my prudish demeanor. I just thought the girls were misguided and likely confused about where they stood. Should I have told them to wear less and ditch the hijab since they were struggling with their faith? No I would never do that. I would also like to add that these girls are minority for the most part Somali girls wouldn't encourage their sisters to demean themselves, or at least I'd hope so. You guys who just assume that a girl that shows her hair is a slut are also hypocrites. For that reason you will not get a good girl that you wish to pursue, whether she wears a hijab or not.

By saying a non-hijabi is a slut, these individuals are saying their hooyo was one because she didn't wear the hijab before the late 80s/early 90s.

[BuuloXubeey]

Cushtic,

Your still struggling to understand my discussion. It might sound like a contradiction, but if you have the brain capacity to to understand it wouldn't be a contradiction.


1. I don't care about her sins, her values and principles

2. I care about the Hijab she is wearing

3. Hijab (modesty) itself speaks for itself

therefore

A girl that wears hijab must not do things that contradict the essence of hijab.

Solution?

She must take of her hijab if she does something against the essence of hijab

why?

To respect Islam, Hijab/Modesty.

Conclusion?

To prevent misjudgment of hijab against non-muslims and young-muslims.

[BuuloXubeey]

That's the thing you mentioned that by default "non-hijabi" is labelled a slut. That universalizing mentality is fundamentally flawed and it was what I was pointing out. Although I don't wear hijab I don't wear anything that would denote that. In fact, some head to toe hijabis attempted to give me fashion advise suggesting I wear more revealing attire. Are they the undercover freaks you are referring to? Are they attempting to live vicariously through me? Perhaps, but they were confused by my prudish demeanor. I just thought the girls were misguided and likely confused about where they stood. Should I have told them to wear less and ditch the hijab since they were struggling with their faith? No I would never do that. I would also like to add that these girls are minority for the most part Somali girls wouldn't encourage their sisters to demean themselves, or at least I'd hope so. You guys who just assume that a girl that shows her hair is a slut are also hypocrites. For that reason you will not get a good girl that you wish to pursue, whether she wears a hijab or not.

By saying a non-hijabi is a slut, these individuals are saying their hooyo was one because she didn't wear the hijab before the late 80s/early 90s.

Thanks for your honest feedback. Let me clear one thing, I personally do not assume a non-hijabi to be a slut. I don't judge people through their outer image. If I see a non-hijabi that acts good and is close to her deen, I encourage her to wear the hijab thats all.

Now back to the girls that do wear the hijab but are sluts. If they pubically act like sluts, they should immediately take of their hijabs. If they are privately sluts or have low imaan by telling you to wear more revealing clothes then don't tell those to remove their hijabs. Cause they are not doing any harm to the hijab but themselves.

By cause in this thread is to protect the power of hijab.