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I was just saw a comment regards this topic on the internet. It got me curious. We all know about the Islamic civilisation in Spain (Andalus) and how the Arabs and Berbers (Moors) were the ones that took participation. But isn't intriguing that Somalis were known as Berbers back then. Also most of these Moors were dark-skinned people. It give me the curiosity that Somalis to an extend participated in the civilisation in Andalus. Bare in mind Somalia back then was relatively organised and had strong trade influence in the world. I think more research need to be done regards to the Somali history during the period of Andalus.

Whats your take on this? Do you think its possible?

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Bilad al-Barbar (Barbara) was the term that medieval Arab geographers and scholars reserved for the northern half of the Horn of Africa. The Arabs had the habit of naming a particular geographical area according to whatever the inhabitants of that landmass happened to be. Due to its core Hamitic inhabitants, this part of Northeastern Africa was thus referred to as the "Land of the Berbers".
"Generally speaking, Arab authors seem to have regarded Barbara as synonymous with the Hamitic tribes of the Horn. Cf. Ibn Khaldun: 'To the south of Zeila on the western coast of the Indian Ocean are the villages of Berbera, which extend one after the other all along the southern coast [of the Indian Ocean] to the end of the sixth section. There, to the east, the country of the Zanj adjoins them'"
Although the Arabs were the most prolific foreign explorers and describers of the Northeastern Africa region, they were not the first. Ancient Chinese documents from centuries earlier also profile the area's inhabitants, customs, lifestyle and commodities. For example, in his book Miscellaneous Notes in Chronicle Years ("you yang za zu"), the 9th century merchant Duan Chengshi wrote the following about the northern Horn coast, a region he referred to as "Bo-ba-li":

"[it is] an independent country with an infantry of over 200 thousand men, strong enough to defy the powerful Tazi (the Arab Empire)."
"The beginnings of Arab navigation in the Indian Ocean are lost in antiquity. The Omanis and other inhabitants of South Arabia were the most adventuresome sailors. To them the coast of Africa was known as Sawahil as-Sudan, the "Shore of the Blacks," which is the origin of the name of the language which is now the lingua franca of East Africa, Swahili. The interior of the Horn region was called Bilad al-Barbar, the "Land of the Berbers" and recent scholarly opinion holds that it was already inhabited by people who were at least in part the ancestors of the Somalis."
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ximaanxaawo somehow u will bring mareexan into this. ..I say people stay away from this idiots topic...he is the biggest qabiilist on snet
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HooBariiska wrote:ximaanxaawo somehow u will bring mareexan into this. ..I say people stay away from this idiots topic...he is the biggest qabiilist on snet
Waryaa iidoor mareexaan are somalis so whatever history Somalis have we are part of and so are you. Lets understand when to talk in a clan level and when not to. This thread has nothing to do with qabil. So kindly participate in another manner. :up:

Never knew ur mareexaan phobia has crippled your mind. :lol: :lol:
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Interesting topic :up:

Do you have anymore information on this Abdullah fella?
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Yeah I find it interesting. It just weird that we Somalis are one of the first africans that have converted to Islam and our islamic history is not mentioned alot by other muslims. I doubt all these great Arab inventors and scholars were all Arabs, other Muslims had influence to like the Turks, Asians, Berbers, Somalis etc. These Arabs only want to glorify themselves.

I wish more archaeological studies to be done in Somalia and research old historical artifacts and records. I highly think we Somalis have some interesting history, specially because of our way of life but also where we inhabit.
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I don't think the Berbers or Moors had any link to Somalis.
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Arabman wrote:I don't think the Berbers or Moors had any link to Somalis.
I'm not saying that Berbers were Somalis. I'm only suggesting that Somalis were amongst the Arabs and Berbers possibly. Don't forget Arabs and Somalis had connections (trade, religion) for a long time.
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Most somalis were in the wilderness tending to their camels and sheep unbeknownst to the going ons of the rest of the world.
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Estarix wrote:Most somalis were in the wilderness tending to their camels and sheep unbeknownst to the going ons of the rest of the world.
If anything Berbers are nomadic too! Still does not make sense. Besides if I correct you well, Somalis had empires like Adal, Ajuuraan, Ifat so I don't see where you get this self-hate from? Somalis might have nomadic traits but we clearly had big influence to the rest of the world. Lets not deny our history! And lets not forget our maritime history!!
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Ximaan,,,,,,, :roll:


Walaal, please stop dreaming of Somali and Somali History -DAY & NIGHT!!!!! 8-) 8-)



That quote simply states the Moslem fleet left from east African coast, as they had a good indian ocean ports, such as Mombasa etc etc that they could exit from. Nothing concrete to mention Somalis. So get over yourself. But one thing is for sure. At least, we know, when long founding father "Darood" existed. (since year 704) . :stylin: For as far as we know, Darood could be a descendants of many Abdullahs mentioned! :dj:
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Basra,

And why would an army of men be present in East Africa? If they are not originally from East Africa. Do you think the people of East Africa will allow this? Not so smart are you?
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:o Ximaan---- First of all, todays' 'army of men' is not the same as those days army. It could probably be a bunch of hundred of men, not like todays highly sophisticated army. Second of all, there is no doubt the natives of east Africans population was very small. As far as we know, East Africa, in the year 704 must look like a country of 4 family villages. Therefore, I am sure they wont mind If a small army of arab merchants occupies their villages.
Third of all, These Abdubakars and Abutalibs names sound like Quraaish names--(tribe of the prophet pbuh) Also, mind u, year 7 was the century of our prophet pbuh, and since he encouraged ISLAM spread and merchant business, these "Quraiish" arabs were likely business men in east Africa, via Indian Ocean. 'East Africa' could mean more Coast of Kenya and Tanzania more than Somalia. (but that is not stopping a fact that maybe the Quraiish arab marchants settlers in east Africa, didn't migrate to Somalia, and therefore begin the myth of a Darood on a tree, the poor villagers, namely the hawiye under the tree trying to chase odeey Darrod away lol) :stylin:
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Basra- wrote::o Ximaan---- First of all, todays' 'army of men' is not the same as those days army. It could probably be a bunch of hundred of men, not like todays highly sophisticated army. Second of all, there is no doubt the natives of east Africans population was very small. As far as we know, East Africa, in the year 704 must look like a country of 4 family villages. Third of all, These Abdubars and Abutalibs names sound like Quraaish names--(tribe of the prophet pbuh) Also, mind u year 7 was the century of our prophet pbuh, and since he encourage ISLAM spread and merchant business, these arabs were business men in east Africa, via Indian Ocean. 'East Africa' could mean more Coast of Kenya and Tanzania more than Somalia. :eat:
Well for one, we cannot determine the real population in Somalia at that time. Also as you can see from that source it states they attacked Siciliy. Even hundreds of non-native men are too much to reside in East Africa for a population of 4 family villages (as you claim). If they are merchants why are they organising a military expedition? Can't they not organise in their own land like Arabia and Egypt? East Africa is not the only place Arabs traded with. Yes those names sound like Quraishi names, but what about historical images showing dark-skinned men in Andalus that are among the Moors? Also coast of Kenya and Tanania are not predominantly Muslims compared to the Somalis whom practiced Islam very early.

Also one of the sources, states a Portuguese explorer stating that Moors comprised of Arabs, Somalis, Beja and Hararis. The more sources you read the more they all link up.
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:lol: I see. I didn't read in depth of your 'sources', I guess If I did, I would be able to use my powerful brain to good use. But maybe the armys are there to conquer just like any other civilizations. I think the armies are part of the 'moor' or byzantine. :dj: Who cares-- the point or question is: How does it affect Somalia or Somalis ? So far I have not seen any evidence other than a casual mention of Somalis in connection with the word Islam or 'mosleems'! :stylin:
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Fattie,

They might haven't mentioned the word Somalis many times or at all, but they mentioned East Africa. Also back then Somalis were known as Berbers so who can deny those Berbers are Somalis too?

Stick to your English novels and time pieces, you have no use to political and military history.
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