Very sad: How Xamar is dependent on Amisom

[Warabaha]

crazy doro, if this five man army is so good then why don't they retake lascanood

[Estarix]

OD people like you really think you're a match for Alshaytan the skirt-less up North can't fight to safe their lives i know it you secretly know it everyone knows and we have even that during the xabashi invasion laascaanod etc etc

You should be praying to god reer Galmudug are the most liberal Hawiye cos if it weren't for them and others who are keeping them busy in the south you of would been overrun long time ago. For god sake you can't even defeat few men in Galgala but instead they're slowly taking over your beloved Bosaso

What about al itihad in the early 90s. Puntland would not have existed with al itihad controlling the region; the fight stretched from garowe to bosao and to the west in lasanod and ceerigabo. The fight was very bloody and included locals and southerners taking part and it was without ethiopian influence; ahlu sunna had ethiopian help and the tfg was dependant on amisom.

[AbdiJohnson]

I don't understand... How hard is it to find 25,000 committed young nationalist Somalis, train them, give them weapons to defeat Shabab and pacify the southern half of the country? And then find another 10,000 to police the towns and cities? Someone needs to tell the powers that be that they have profited enough from the ongoing civil war and to sit back and count their dough.

I am,

Abdi "When was the last town even liberated?" Johnson

[Twisted_Logic]

Why focus on their helmets?
The point your missing, deliberately, is that the p/l security forces protect their land, people & installations.
The Xamar forces can't leave their bases without Bantu permission, guidance and protection.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

I would be answering that question if it wasn't coming from an oppressed & enslaved Dhulbhante from Laas Caanood. You slavishly fly the flags of your enemy clans and you login somalinet & attempt to construct an alternative university where your people are madly living in freedom free of being political pawns. Sadly for you this is an online forum and people will occasionally remind you of your lowly status. Know your place and continue serving your masters.

Now take that and stick up your dhulbhante ass

[Sagaashan]

I don't understand... How hard is it to find 25,000 committed young nationalist Somalis, train them, give them weapons to defeat Shabab and pacify the southern half of the country? And then find another 10,000 to police the towns and cities? Someone needs to tell the powers that be that they have profited enough from the ongoing civil war and to sit back and count their dough.

I am,

Abdi "When was the last town even liberated?" Johnson

Its easy as a cake, but the people in Xamar are not serious about the security of their own cities. Discuss with them the situation in Xamar and they will start you off Siyaad Barre and C/llahi Yusuf. You tell them about the relative peace in Hargeysa and Garowe and they will dismiss it. Talk to them about Amisom and their dependency on them and they will defend them tooth and nail. You will never get anywhere with them that is why Xamar will not change for a long time: the poeple in it are not as committed to their city as the people found in other places. Xamar will just be an experimental field for ambitious NGOs, researchers, Party goers, African missions, etc.

Twist,

You can justify failure as much as you like but the truth of the matter is Xamar will never develop the capabilities or abilities to develop a state that is safe from terror, where its citizens have peace and order. Only because they couldn't do it the last 20 years when others were serious and established states to better its citizens and not now with all the international assistance it garnered. You can post as much pictures as you like about Alpha, but the matter of the fact is Villa Somalia is not guarded by them. The airport is not guarded by them, as well as the many important installations in Xamar. That is the difference between what I posted and your pictures

[Sagaashan]

Why focus on their helmets?
The point your missing, deliberately, is that the p/l security forces protect their land, people & installations.
The Xamar forces can't leave their bases without Bantu permission, guidance and protection.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

admitting failure is a taboo

[SecretAgent]

Hargeisa = 1 clan city 700,000 ppl, garowe=55,000 ppl village sub clan city dont compare xamar to tuulos dat have no running water

[GIJaamac]

OD people like you really think you're a match for Alshaytan the skirt-less up North can't fight to safe their lives i know it you secretly know it everyone knows and we have even that during the xabashi invasion laascaanod etc etc

You should be praying to god reer Galmudug are the most liberal Hawiye cos if it weren't for them and others who are keeping them busy in the south you of would been overrun long time ago. For god sake you can't even defeat few men in Galgala but instead they're slowly taking over your beloved Bosaso

What about al itihad in the early 90s. Puntland would not have existed with al itihad controlling the region; the fight stretched from garowe to bosao and to the west in lasanod and ceerigabo. The fight was very bloody and included locals and southerners taking part and it was without ethiopian influence; ahlu sunna had ethiopian help and the tfg was dependant on amisom.

soft jebertis and their lies again. Dude Xasan Daahir Aweys captured whole puntland in weeks and put CY in jail to wait his execution. Some local wadaad begged Hassan Daahir to release him. After the release, CY begged help from Melez zenawi and xabashi troops came to puntland. After heavy battles xabashi troops finally drove out Xassan Daahir and his Al-itaxaad militia from puntland. Without ethiopian troops, you'd still be under Xasan Daahir's rule. You can thank Meles Zenawi for your existance sxb.

[Bermooda]

OD people like you really think you're a match for Alshaytan the skirt-less up North can't fight to safe their lives i know it you secretly know it everyone knows and we have even that during the xabashi invasion laascaanod etc etc

You should be praying to god reer Galmudug are the most liberal Hawiye cos if it weren't for them and others who are keeping them busy in the south you of would been overrun long time ago. For god sake you can't even defeat few men in Galgala but instead they're slowly taking over your beloved Bosaso

What about al itihad in the early 90s. Puntland would not have existed with al itihad controlling the region; the fight stretched from garowe to bosao and to the west in lasanod and ceerigabo. The fight was very bloody and included locals and southerners taking part and it was without ethiopian influence; ahlu sunna had ethiopian help and the tfg was dependant on amisom.

soft jebertis and their lies again. Dude Xasan Daahir Aweys captured whole puntland in weeks and put CY in jail to wait his execution. Some local wadaad begged Hassan Daahir to release him. After the release, CY begged help from Melez zenawi and xabashi troops came to puntland. After heavy battles xabashi troops finally drove out Xassan Daahir and his Al-itaxaad militia from puntland. Without ethiopian troops, you'd still be under Xasan Daahir's rule. You can thank Meles Zenawi for your existance sxb.

Got there before me http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1KBP ... ia&f=false

*Edited* I knew Puntland was a stealth secessionist read about Yeey and TNG and his reason why and who was backing him.

[Estarix]

Actually hassan dahir aweys was one of the leaders and their were others from puntland itself; i think the one with the most senior authority was a sheikh from burco. The al itihad peacefully spread throughout bari and adjacent provinces after the power vacuum with collapse of the gov and it was with the blessing of the locals, abshir muse who was ssdf at the time took some of those territories as early as 1989 and did not oppose the al itihad. At the time Ethiopia was not interfering in somali internal political affairs in any capacity (apart from hosting conferences). The SSDF waged war after al itihad opposed the use of bosaso port for weaponry reasons; the ssdf subsuquently fought a bloody war against al itihad (who had recruited from locals and from the south) Al itihad was defeated without ethiopian millitary support and it was strictly a somali affair.

Bermooda

sxb the link you posted referes to the puntland civil war when elders brought an end to the presidency of ay (aun) sometime in sept 2001 and haji nur drove ay forces from garowe; jami ali jama was proclaimed president in late 2001 (he was apparently supported by the tng). Ay set up a base in galkacyo and with ethiopian support (mainly in armanents) he fought his way through puntland and defeated jama ali jamas forces.

[quark]

hutus catching feelings

[GIJaamac]

estarix

Again stop lying.
Sure there were many al-ittihad leaders, but capturing puntland and boosaso port was Hassan Daahir's own plan.
And yes there were some local al-ittihad footsoldiers there taking orders from Hassan Daahir.
Italians KDF, UNISOM, Ethiopians in the 90's and in 2007. You were always dependent on foreign troops.
You just are too weak to fight for yourselves.

. Ethiopia’s relationship
with the current president of the TFG was strengthened when Yusuf backed
Ethiopia’s efforts against Al-Ittihad in the 1990s. The Ethiopian government’s
animosity towards the ousted Shura leader of the Islamic Courts, Sheik Aweys, is
linked to Aweys’ role as one of the leaders of Al-Ittihad fighting against Ethiopia and
that of Abdullahi Yusuf.
http://somalitalk.com/2007/dec/teddagne.pdf

Ethiopia later helped the man now interim president, Abdullahi Yusuf, defeat al-Itihaad forces in the 1990s.

However, at an early stage in the fighting, Mr Aweys captures Mr Yusuf and put him in jail.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5120242.stm

Out of step with the very institution that made them, Aweys and Yusuf took separate paths to pursue their zeal. Aweys, now loaded with a heavy dose of Wahhabi doctrine, drifted toward religious extremism until he found a solace with Al-Ittihad. He literally militarized this upstart Islamist organization and led countless deadly wars against warlords and against Ethiopia.
His path would cross again with his historic foe, Col. Yusuf, this time in Boosaaso. It was in 1992. Yusuf was hardened clan leader with SSDF, a rebel movement initially dominated by his clan’s elite, until he wrestled it from them to put it under his domain. Boiling with clan vendetta, Yusuf utilized SSDF to breed his clan zeal.
Religious and clan zeal clashed in Boosaaso. The latter was crushed and Aweys’ young men captured Yusuf. Aweys wanted him dead, but Yusuf was freed under still unclear circumstances.
Yusuf never forgave Aweys for that, and the latter never ceased to hunt his now lifetime nemesis.
http://maanhadal.com/articles/Aweys_Yusuf.html

[Estarix]

Firstly the bbc article refers to the diplomatic relations between the ethiopia and puntland in the 90s. In the 90s al itihad had bases in ogadenia and gedo and ethiopia fought in the late 90s against al itihad, at the time ethiopia and ay had common enemies and ethiopia could count on ay to give intelligence in regards to al itihad activties in the northeast. It does not mention any war in 1992. And neither does your second article mention that ethiopia waged war against al itihad in 1992. So far you have failed to have provide evidence for your claim. Just because it says earlier hassan dahir jailed ay is not evidence linking the conflict in 1992 but develops on the relationship between the tfg and al itihad leader.

". After the release, CY begged help from Melez zenawi and xabashi troops came to puntland. After heavy battles xabashi troops finally drove out Xassan Daahir and his Al-itaxaad militia from puntland.

Ethiopia foughted in ogaden region and in gedo in 1995 and in 1996; al itihad operations in these regions and i can find you multiple sources that claims that ethiopia had a base and wage war in these regions. Similarly i can bring you multiple sources that ethiopia did the same to icu in the south; yet you have not provided a single evidence to backup the radical claim that ethiopia (as early as 1992) did not just set up a base but also waged war in garowe, bosaso, sool and in towns in sanaag. You have not provided anything substantial. You have also contradicted yourself by claiming that once a local sheikh freed ay and then claimed that he begged melez zenawi.

Edit: For the sake of argument if i were to concede to you even in the case that ethiopia did support ssdf in some nature etc armanent support; how does this backup the claim that ethiopia was there in the battles. I can provide sources that the war was between ssdf and al itihad.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NaEe ... 92&f=false
http://wardheernews.com/articles/Novemb ... 7arag.html
http://www.stanford.edu/group/mappingmi ... ps/view/99
http://www.somaliawatch.org/archivemar02/020513601.htm This website also claims ali itihad was along with jama ali jama destabilizing influence.

[Meyle]

Sagaashan dont mention Hargeysa you xaaraami Darood.

[original dervish]

Look how these southerners are trying to derail the thread.
Let's return to the original theme........why can't these southerners provide their own security?

They claim they're millions strong, Rambo-like, the wealthiest blah blah blah.
So why can't they protect their own people and places?
It just doesn't make any sense.

You have Bantu from Sierra Leone of all places....coming to mog to teach the southerners how to march, parade, fire weapons straight etc.
So when they saw the P/L special forces standing tall, proud and independent of any Bantu mentor, they were offended.
This is the truth of the matter. P/L made them look pathetic by just being disciplined, professional.