With 25% drop rate, Toronto Ed. Board has designated Somalis

[metamorphosis]

What advo said! Somali parents need to be more involved in the education of their children. At university parents are no longer responsible because at that age, we are adults. However in high school parents are partially at fault if their kids suffer academic failure.

Grandpakhali is one of those deluded brainwashed kids who probably believes fremasons monitor his internet usage. You cannot call education worthless because the percentage of people that own businesses and make their living via profits they generated is very small compared to those who work in their chosen careers using degrees they obtained from unis. How can you use Einstein to justify your case? Einstein was a genius and probably one of a dozen or two that the world has ever seen. What kind of innovation do you plan to do? Besides getting a degree first then Starting a business would be the better choice for you in case the business fails, the fail rate is more than 50%, you have something to fall on.

Stop watching conspiracy videos man!

[Titanium]

You need some sort of education after school. Either community college or university. Doing neither doesn't cut it.

But I agree most degrees are useless. You're better off learning something hands on than something like history or english

[Methylamine]

How did the Toronto school board figure out that the Somali dropout rate is 25%? Canada rarely takes stats on students based on racial lines, and if they do, it's usually White, Black, First Nations etc, not specifically Somali. I say this because even the most ciyaalsuuq Somalis I know have at least a high school diploma

[IRONm@N]

some how Canada and Uk Somalis are academically challenged. when in contrast American Somalis are enrolling in and graduating from high schools and colleges in record numbers.

[Talo alle udaa]

The lunacy of Somali Canadians. Kulaha "were being singled out" Damn right you are.
your performance has singled you out.

[Sophisticate]

Meth like I have mentioned previously Somali high school students from Toronto have the highest high school drop out rate period, of all ethno-cultural groups. Hence, they are being singled out for this new educational intervention.

Its a multi-level problem and one or more from the list could be contributing factors.

(1) Systemic racism
(2) Poor work ethic
(3) Academic defeat
(4) Low teacher expectations
(5) Parents having linguistic/cultural barriers
(6) Single-parent home/ absent father
(7) Misalignment of priorities
(8) Low peer expectations
(9) Inability to focus (children should not be fed refined sugars <<< my opinion)
(10) Lack of guidance (no mentors)
(11) Lack of cultural awareness
(12) Increased financial obligations in the home
(13) Too many distractions when studying
(14) A push out rate wherein the children drop out mentally years prior
to dropping out physically once they reach 16.
(15) Anger management issues/ aggression
(16) Negative role models
(17) Low parental expectations for certain children (particularly boys)
(18) Parental delusion (feeling like children can do no wrong, or do not need academic assistance).
(19) Family problems


I know that my parents being educated, and knowing many professional Somalis within my family proved to be the impetus for success. However, don't appropriate blame so quickly and just hate from the sidelines. At least add to the conversation or hop off.

[SummerRain]

I read the recommendations. I absolutely concur with the young gentleman in the video. It is patronizing and highly disparaging to see that stat. Keep in mind its based on a certain age cohort from 06 - 11. That was years ago, and there were no follow-up/ longitudinal studies conducted since.

To read the recommendations click on the link:

http://www.tdsb.on.ca/Leadership/Boardr ... i+2233.pdf


It honestly feels like Somalis are becoming the new First Nations.

#17 Establish a Somali Heritage month to be tentatively set for October or April, really stood out to me. It clearly shows Somalis are being singled out and pitied for the attrition rate.

I was under the assumption that these recommendations were brought forth after consulting with the community and it's a measure to address their needs and concerns. I also believe #17 was among the things the community wanted to establish. If I'm right, I don't see why Somalis should have an issue with this initiative. Personally, I don't like it at all, though 25% is problematic and needs urgent solution.

I realize there was some consultation process with the Somali community at large. I myself had no clue of these meetings, they must have gotten a convenience sample. In any case, I knew that Somalis were not doing well respectively to individuals from other ethnic groups since I was in high school which was nearly a decade ago. There were multiple articles in the Toronto Star indicating this phenomenon. I think this was years in the making. If you ask me they are moving at a snails pace. I don't think there is anything wrong with a Somali heritage month, my impression was that hido iyo dhaqan were fundamentals taught within the home (perhaps this premise was wrong). In addition, seeing that there are many cultural dances and lore that vary from region-to-region some individuals that are Somali might feel sidelined or "not represented". There are microcultures among the Somalis. I might do zeylaci, someone else might do dhaanto, another person niiko etc. Not to mention buranbur simply tribal uplift speeches and dances. Furthermore diracs are universal. However, I might wear sedex-qeyd and someone else might wear guntiino. Unless all the microcultures are represented I don't see this working. In addition, some people believe that these remnants of our culture are haram. *Oh my* .

I suppose this creates the possibilty to explore all the microcultures we have. I'm thinking of this being like the "Black History" month here in the States. If anything, it will create a platform for youth to discuss and explore their heritage, however personal/microcultural it may be. I'm speaking to the positive side of this.

[SecretAgent]

Makes sense toronto somali population is 100,000 compare that to ottawa 6,000 or alberta 10,000 there will be a higher drop rate but never you will see 25percent drop out rates in ottawa,montreal,edmonton,winnipeg,vancouver

[Hyperactive]

grandpa, if you get free post secondary school would do it or still you think is useless?

partially, I agree with grabdpa, you can seek knowledge without going to fancy universities and earn degree. but unfortunately, it's down to titles and money. still haven't seen some one going to university fir hack of knowledge. every one want to get status and most important earn living , which is great.

[grandpakhalif]

grandpa, if you get free post secondary school would do it or still you think is useless?

partially, I agree with grabdpa, you can seek knowledge without going to fancy universities and earn degree. but unfortunately, it's down to titles and money. still haven't seen some one going to university fir hack of knowledge. every one want to get status and most important earn living , which is great.

if it was free why not? gaining education is awesome, but wadankan gaalada waxay leeyiheen contract riba ku sabsan, I rather work hard and pay through halal money than riba!

[Hyperactive]

I agree with you granpa. avoid riba as much as you can. hadad Alah darti o deedo, inshallah, Allah wah ka khair badan kogu badali.
riba contract is no go place for me. Alhamdullilah Allah maba iku qasbin.

[Rabshoole]

High school, college are very important aspects in ones life to accomplish, without neither, you have no room to bargain when it comes to your earnings. I remember when GM fired a lot of people couple years before it claimed bankruptcy, Their was a lady in one of my courses who was let go from duty in the light of GM's collapse, who had 35+ yrs of experience in operation management and no degree. She couldn't get a job that was willing to pay her close to the what GM offered her even with all those experience meant nothing, and was forced to start at the bottom at 10 bucks in hr, and practically forced to go back to school to get a degree in management. The moral of the story is, the benefits of having a degree is that it gives you a platform to negotiate your earnings.

[DANGIRL]

List of Famous People who didn't attend school

1. Einstein
2. Bill Gates
3. Steve Jobs
4. Paul Allen (Net worth: $12.7 billion)


i can go on forever

a famous quote by pual allen "As you start your journey, the first thing you should do is throw away that store-bought map and begin to draw your own."

All those men dropped out of universities and not high school.

[Methylamine]

Soph I agree with you on most of your points, however a lot of these factors can be extended to other disadvantaged groups in Toronto (i.e. West Indians, Habeshas, etc), yet Somalis there are the ones with the high drop out rate. Why? Somali parents have little control over their kids. Growing up, I resented the fact that my parents were extremely strict and would check up on me 24/7 (to this day they still do lol)...even when they were at work I'd still get phone calls asking where I was and what I was doing. I didn't realize it before, but this kind of parenting is what keeps kids in line...hopefully the next generation of Somali parents get it right

Makes sense toronto somali population is 100,000 compare that to ottawa 6,000 or alberta 10,000 there will be a higher drop rate but never you will see 25percent drop out rates in ottawa,montreal,edmonton,winnipeg,vancouver

That makes no sense, just because Toronto has a bigger community, it doesn't explain why the percentage of Somalis who've dropped out is higher compared to other cities