An appraisal of the ‘Dervish state’ in northern Somalia

[X.Playa]

You probably didn't even read your own piece , all he quoted and used as sources were the above 3 amigos , Martin has never wrote a book on Dervish history quoting him is pointless and Martin himself only quoted Aw Jaamac lool so its useless to quote him. Now little boy what other sources your article used?? care to point it out.

and by the way never ever make such a long quote it killed your own thread , that was one long text that killed it.

[Aristocat]

That is the difference between you and me, I am not interested in threads, selective quotations, for I don't suffer from tribal inferiority complex and thus unlike others I don't have a paradoxical need to strive for tribal supremacy. I don't see history in relative or in contrasting terms like you and your credulous flock here. It is what it is!. This is why I quoted the article in its entirety because it's one of the earliest accounts about Somalia written in English and it gives fascinating tale of the Somali tribes and it also it gives a vivid description of the geography and the rich wildlife of the country. You ought read it contents one or two readable quotes by your sub-tribe and few disparaging comments about other tribes, perhaps you could use it one of your paltalk lectures or better yet on of your "historical" threads.

[X.Playa]

I read it some 22 years ago a time you probably were just a young faqash pop, quoting Curttenden who changed his initial thought on the isaaq and now on his second paper deemed the coastal daaroods as superior means little nothing. At the end of the day is just his opinion and by what he means superior is even subjective.

You got a long way little boy you are still behind in somali history.

[Aristocat]

I read it some 22 years ago a time you probably were just a young faqash pop, quoting Curttenden who changed his initial thought on the isaaq and now on his second paper deemed the coastal daaroods as superior means little nothing. At the end of the day is just his opinion and by what he means superior is even subjective..

There goes your inferiority complex again. lol. That comment regarding the superiority of the coastal daaroods over the "Eydoor" means absolutely nothing to me and when i read the article I saw it for the mundane statement it is. However, it's clearly evident that the statement resonates with you and it shows glimpses into psyche of people like yourself. Nevertheless, you are right, that is Curttenden's opinion and what he means by superior is subjective and irrelevant even if it's the opinion of an unconcerned, impartial and unbiased traveler. Moreover, what it's amusing and ironic in all this, is the fact that a man like YOU would dare to raise the subjects of IMPARTIALITY and SUBJECTIVITY in regards to an article written by an English man.lol. by all accounts Curttenden is unbiased and impartial traveler and writer and yet you raise subjectivity of his opinion and rightly so. But on the other hand you and your credulous flock here have a thread (and a stick at that) in which you religiously and wholeheartedly quote from books, articles and reports written by active British soldiers and administrators, who were engage literally fighting a war with the darwiish. Funny how inferiority complex and harted ravaged brains process information. Despite efforts the feeble efforts of people like you, the glorious history the darwiish cannot be white washed or tarnish. Whether you like or not Somali history IS THE Darwiish history and it's available in every university library and fine book stores everywhere.

In regards to the article the only thing that stood for me is this quote, (which actually reminds me people like you)

I have made use of the I have made use of the
word Edoor to distinguish the descendants of Isaakh from
those of his fellow-countryman Darrood, but it may be as
well to observe that the western tribes are averse to the ap-
pellation, and invariably correct the person who styles them
Edoor, by telling him that the Edoor are the Galla tribes.
The Mijierthaine told me that the Galla family into which
Sheikh isaakh married was called " Durr," and from that is
derived tlie name of "Edoor ;" and the Haber Gerhajis, on
the other hand, retaliate by quoting " Dafrood " as an oflfshoot
from the^ same Pagan source.

Those quotes are from 1849 and 2014 you could very well be ONE of the sources for those quotes. That is SAD.

[Kukri]

I see fair enough ....I don't see the difference, you clearly do.

Care to explain?

Sayidku Wuxi aha nin la yaqaan oo aqoontiisu tustay in gumeysiga Lagu jihaado
Xininyihi lagula dagaalamilahana weysadu ku watay

Al shabab wax ay yihiin iyo wax ay u socdaan lama yaqaan
Ma nimankan qabdhaha soomaaliyeed intey soo af duubaan ajanabiga hadiyad ahaan u siinaya

Sayidka waxkasto lagu sheego marna la odhan maayo dan shisheeyu waday
Al shabaab se waa la wada ogyahay iney mareykan iyo cadow aan naxariis Somali u hayn u taliyo

So one cannot compare Sayidka to al kabaab
There is century gap between the two and any comparison will be unfair.

[gurey25]

abdikarim the Sayyid was closer to traditional islam than todays modernist salafis.
Apart from his dose of takfirism i find nothing wrong with his aqeeda or that of his tariiqa.

You should not compare salafism which is a carrier for HIV ( Human Intellectual deficiency syndrome) leading to AIDS ( Aquired Intellectual deficiancy syndrome) with the Sayyid.

[Aristocat]

^

[gurey25]

abdikarim the Sayyid was closer to traditional islam than todays modernist salafis.
Apart from his dose of takfirism i find nothing wrong with his aqeeda or that of his tariiqa.

You should not compare salafism which is a carrier for HIV ( Human Intellectual deficiency virus) leading to AIDS ( Aquired Intellectual deficiancy syndrome) with the Sayyid.

[abdikarim86]

[X.Playa]

abdikarim the Sayyid was closer to traditional islam than todays modernist salafis.
Apart from his dose of takfirism i find nothing wrong with his aqeeda or that of his tariiqa.

You should not compare salafism which is a carrier for HIV ( Human Intellectual deficiency syndrome) leading to AIDS ( Aquired Intellectual deficiancy syndrome) with the Sayyid.

Not at all, one short reading of the Dervish debate with the great Qaadiriya Somali Suufi Sheekh Cabdilaahi Al Qudbi of Qulunqul makes that argument of yours void. The Dervish jurist argued using extremist opinion of one Yemeni Culuma to justify their killing and looting of Somalis under the clause of "qumc al mucanadiin" compared to the modern al Shabaab the later comes out as a peaceful hippie.

[Marques]

Meh, darwiish amaba shabaab ummad somaliyeed way baaba'sheen....Labo arrin bey ku kala duwanyihiin....Shabaabka waxay tiigsadeen alqaacido iyo xulufooyinka magaca diinta ku dagaalamaya meeshuu ina cabdille xasan bey'ad soomaali keliya dhex joogay...waagaas salafi wax la yidhaa ma jirin dadkii dhamaa suufiyaal ay u badnaayeen, ee isla suufiyiintii ayaa qolo qolo ukala soocnaa sida qaadiriyo axmadiyo saalixiyo uweysiyo etc maantayto salafiyiintaa kala qaybsan qolona waa shabaab qolona waa islaax qolona waa ictisaam etc waxaa isweydiin ah, ina cabdile xasan tolow markuu dhintay, isla markii xus lagu maamuusayo maxaa loo samayn waayey, maxaa keenay in illaa dowlada siyad bare ay qashqashaadiso taariikhdiisa oo wax ka bedeshay kadib la barto magaciisa...

[samatar133]

abdikarim the Sayyid was closer to traditional islam than todays modernist salafis.
Apart from his dose of takfirism i find nothing wrong with his aqeeda or that of his tariiqa.

You should not compare salafism which is a carrier for HIV ( Human Intellectual deficiency syndrome) leading to AIDS ( Aquired Intellectual deficiancy syndrome) with the Sayyid.

I don't think Sayid was better than the current salafis. With the modern Salafis at least you know what say and what to believe under their rule so you can survive and live but with the Sayid's rule people didn't even know what to say or do to survive. They were killed under bizarre pretexts like waad xujowday and other meaningless reasons on a daily basis.
Ma maqashay ninkii HJ ee Cudhusey la odhan jiran ee Sayidku ku yadhi Cudhusow si fiican baad iigu dagaalantaa oo waan ku jecelahay laakiin reerkiina cidi kama joogto'e ii keen, he meant his lowest sub clan. Markii uu reerkiisa u tegayna la diiday ee dabadeed waano iyo xodxodasho mudo qaadatay uu soo helay 13 nin. Markii uu sayidkii ku soo noqday isagoo wada 13kii nin uu Sayidku yidhi 13ka nin dilla Cudhusena ugu horaysiiya oo isaga intaydaan dilin diirka ka siiba

[Aristocat]

Soomaalidu wax walba wey iskaga sheekeysaa