clan minded people and their silly arguments

[sahal80]

If I decide today to enter the somali politics, I will only need two factors; being older and being candidate of a political group

Infact non of my political connections hail from the same region as mine!

I can easily remove the mp who hails from my jufo without the need of my regions support, the only thing stopping me this is my age!

Every body knows that president hassan came to power through his muslim brotherhood connections not his through his subclan!

This effects the govt relations with the gulf countries and egypt!

All the time I see self-contradictory of some people, worse they see us in their merror where they would bring to us their social diseases


The reasonableness of any clan-based argument is not different than any other clan enclave argument whatever name it carries, a big contradictory!

They are all called stateless socities

Ximan jaale projects himself as south-central region of somalia, the same region that the pm hails from, yet many will tell him no you have no business in xamar!

The same region that suffers from socio-political unrest!

The same region that each region recieves its share from the central govt lol Wtf!

[Hawdian]

Sahal,

Ximan is an example of Wanlawein (southerners) who not only contradict themselves but very hypocritical in their views. On one hand they claim they are not qabiliste but promote Somali agenda but always loss sleep over Somaliland and the likes. If you are thinker beyond clan you can't have such mentality. You have to see the good of all Somali or the evil of all Somali on an equal podium. You can't always be labelling certain sects of the society.

Ximan is not alone. All Wanlawein have incurable disease/sickness deep inside their hearts. Some speak it out and others keep it inside.

A clear anti-Somaliland person such as the Majertein quarter gets more respect than the self-contradictory Ximan and his likes. You have to be a man and speak your mind. Die for your views and principles not be the shade of a tree (kolba dhinacay cadceedu ka xigto laga ma warego).

You yourself is very contradictory and while you like to think that you are pro-Somali, you are swimming in the low-grade Hawiye politics. Next week you will tell us your adeer called you and AMISOM agreed to give Hawiye less apples

On my side, I dislike all Wanlawein especially Abgaal & HG values not necessarily their individuals or even politicians but the core of their societies are very rotten. It is these values that have kept them where they are today and many more years to come. AMISOM cannot reprogramme them over night even if they defeat Al Shabab. This is a physical removal of an obstacle but Hawiye needs inner purification.

Ras

[sahal80]

I'm against some applying their local tribal values to the southren continental politics just bc they don't believe in a state!

And no i don't swim in any clannish politics, I always plying down the non existing HAG stuff

I project my self as as supporter of a political camp that can be find all the somali clans.

[Hawdian]

Sahal,

That's cool and personally I congratulate you for that. Do you not agree that southern politics and current system is complete failure? How come the southerners take the same road (KM4) every day and expect to see different result?

Sometimes one has to travel in a new hardly explored road in order to see something new. If the south explored more options than the Italian compound (Villa Somalia) tribal-wallets often created by outside forces, I am certain they will discover their cure.

They have to know there are roads other than KM4. I recommend the Wanlaweins to read; Who Moved My Cheese? and apply it; (Who Moved My Somali Republic?).

Ras

[sahal80]

We have been and still are in a political predicament that was made by the neighbouring countries like the clan enclaves and war-lords but since the ideologists came into office they had relations with continental countries who back them financially and now are moving to having bilateral relations with the west and now we are confronting with some neighbouring countries from this background, one by one and step by step until have complete sovereignty over somalia.

[Hawdian]

Sahal,

That does not make sense what so ever. Somalia in my eyes is a non-existent story built on fear and blame game. No responsibilities of any kind what so ever. The West cannot make you and does not favor you over the neighbors if not the opposite. The neighbors have proven themselves of worthy and have long record of nation state. Somalia (south) has no history of ever being a nation not even a year. Yes there was a 30-year old Somali Republic but that was a prematurely conceived and it died long ago.

The West is not interested reviving Yugoslavia nor Somali Republic.

You have to take responsibility of your ills and find a cure within. And I know for a fact that cure is not standing along KM4.

Ras

[sahal80]

Well your denying the facts unless you have less ideas of the modern international relations, I see your posts very old fashioned

Somalia is geopolitically important

The west is favouring somalia over the other states, this is about having bilateral relations wich will bring down these counties roles in somalia!

Infact john kerry has told this ethiopia who had big worries about the US military plans in somalia, he told them this is bilateral relationship and nothing has to do with you!

That's what we are all after!

The world has gone crazy after hearing obama making somalia a good example for his strategy in iraq and syria!

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[sahal80]

We have made a lot of reconciliations

The whole of madoobe nuunow "administration" have joined yesterday the three state region

Kismayo was sorted out and ahmed madobe has announced he's ready to give back the ports to the govt

The real challenge is the terrorists and the west is getting rid of them

Arab countries who are so worry have pledged funds for the govt to fight terror

What has left? It just matter of time to implement the strategy wich only needs funds and military aid

"MIDDLE EAST
NEWS MIDDLE EAST
Report: France aided Somalia al-Shabaab leader assassination


Paris is said to hold Godane responsible for the capture of two French intelligence agents in Somalia in 2009. (Photo courtesy of The Telegraph)

AFP, Paris
Saturday, 13 September 2014
French intelligence services assisted Washington in the operation that killed the commander of Somalia’s Shabaab militant group earlier this month, local media reported Saturday.

“France and President (Francois Hollande) supported with intelligence and coordination” a U.S. air strike that killed Ahmed Godane, the commander of the Islamist faction responsible for a string of deadly attacks throughout Somalia, the weekly Le Point magazine said."

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[Hawdian]

Sahal,

Simple convert missions and carrying out intelligence in your land does not make you an ally nor an important regional player. The West just goes into Somalia to ensure terrorists don't return to the West who trained in Somalia. They monitor the situation. If they can carry out small missions with minimal risks then they will otherwise its not so important.

The EU already has anti-piracy training HQ in Hargeisa, that does not mean EU recognizes Somaliland.

The most important nation in the region for the West is Ethiopia for many reasons, followed by Uganda then Kenya, Djibouti, Somalia.

For example the West pours close to $5 billion in aid money in Ethiopia, the largest in Africa. The UK gov alone spends $250mn a year second only to India ($280mn), Canada provides CAD$207mn). They only give famine aid to Somalia and most of it is just pledges never really delivered.

If they wanted Somalia they would stabilize her ages ago.


Ras

[sahal80]

Lol atleast I'm not delusional or living in the probaganda, I only post realities/al waqaaic!

Look you asked me a quesion, instead of waiting from me you started giving the answers!

Then from region to region!

The topic is not about the future or whetever its about the political method and why do some want to a apply their tribal concepts to us

And for your information, the EUCAPs head quarters is djibouti what you see is called a field office

Galmudug attendes the same EUCAP conferences along side with SL and PL does this mean a recognition lol

"In Somalia, EUCAP Nestor aims to support the development of Somalia's judiciary and coastal law enforcement capability supported by a comprehensive legal and regulatory framework. The mission works both with the Federal Government and regional entities, eg. Puntland and Somaliland."

This mission will be replaced by the regional coast guards!, SFG will have the formolations regarding the sea boundries, fisharies, regions will have their share including the central state and jubbaland!!.
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www. ... C4Xd9qzgog"

I'm out I hate these meaningless and baseless fadhi kodirir arguments!

Wassalam!!.