Where are our Oromo brothers?

[Rambie]

Now, in a normal day I would find this topic very interesting n would love to read it wholly from the beginning but, the amount of threads and the clashes between kts, mailman and others bout Africanimo, Somalnimo, Carabnimo, Ethnicity and Race made me sick to my stomach and I ain't giving a F anymore.

Next time I see a thread bout the origin of Somalis (or even clans) I won't even bother clicking it.

[zumaale]

What does the term "warro warro"
mean.Also why do you call us collectively as Sidaamo

GreetingS Thug,
Warra is the equivalent of reer.

Zumale,
In oromo the concept of sheeggato do exist and its called Tirriso.
Tirriso doesnot make some one Oromo...it means u r friend who will be protected.
But when clans r adopted ... they have the same right as others...they r no longer Sheeggato.
Jaarsos have sheegattos from Daarod like Balcad, Koombe etc...but this very senstive and I wont develop.

Sidaamaa means some one o people who r not Oromo.
In oromo language : amharas, somalis, afars etc r called Sidama.
With special dedicace for Ogadenis affectionately named Sidaama miila Xiyya : the arrow legged sidaamaa.


B.

Please elaborate on the adopted clans among the Jaarso for purely educational purposes. You never told me which Oromo moiety are the Barsuug.

Please, give examples of Tiriso clans too.

If it is too sensitive to discuss, PM please.

[bareento]

Mujaahid Zumale,

U r a tough guy...why r u interested with Bursukh people?
I will give u a hint.
In those areas at macro level the somali and oromo identity interpenetrates.
At the bases of all these people lies an ancient oromo clan thats now almost defunct called Warra Huume (or Khudha Lameen Huume ie the twelve clans
of Huume). This clan is pretty much desintegrated and gave a rise to many Oromo, Somali or switcher clans.
Bursukh is one of them.

B.

[zumaale]

Mujaahid Zumale,

U r a tough guy...why r u interested with Bursukh people?
I will give u a hint.
In those areas at macro level the somali and oromo identity interpenetrates.
At the bases of all these people lies an ancient oromo clan thats now almost defunct called Warra Huume (or Khudha Lameen Huume ie the twelve clans
of Huume). This clan is pretty much desintegrated and gave a rise to many Oromo, Somali or switcher clans.
Bursukh is one of them.

B.

Thanks bro.

Ok. Where do the Bursukh live now, Haraghe zone? What about the Noole, how many Somali clans are found among them?

I agree there are several overlapping clans along the Somali/Oromo border. What is the Oromo take on the Samaale abtiris, does Oromo abtiris link up with any Somali one?

Lastly, please give me a breakdown of adopted Jaarso clans?

[TheMailMan]

MaliPrince has proven himself to be a joke, every time he posts on this forum. He's already admitted that his classmates mistake him for a Nigerian, and it's clear to anyone here that he's a halfbreed pretending to be a full Somali.

He's bitter that he is a half-breed who will NEVER be fully accepted by Somalis, which is why he speaks in this manner.

[Thuganomics]

Sidaama miila
Xiyya : the arrow legged sidaamaa.

So sidaama means anybody that's not Oromo.Pretty conclusive in that case

[bareento]

Mujaahid Zumale,

U r a tough guy...why r u interested with Bursukh people?
I will give u a hint.
In those areas at macro level the somali and oromo identity interpenetrates.
At the bases of all these people lies an ancient oromo clan thats now almost defunct called Warra Huume (or Khudha Lameen Huume ie the twelve clans
of Huume). This clan is pretty much desintegrated and gave a rise to many Oromo, Somali or switcher clans.
Bursukh is one of them.

B.

Thanks bro.

Ok. Where do the Bursukh live now, Haraghe zone? What about the Noole, how many Somali clans are found among them?

I agree there are several overlapping clans along the Somali/Oromo border. What is the Oromo take on the Samaale abtiris, does Oromo abtiris link up with any Somali one?

Lastly, please give me a breakdown of adopted Jaarso clans?

Yep they live in East Harerge Zone.

When u speak about Noole u come closer to Bareento...watch out...I get mad if u imply there r none oromos in our clan
I am sorry but Oromos do not take seriously the Somali Abtirsi...we know u very well as to know u r not arabs.
One funny thing is down the Oromo genealogical tree there is a guy called Samale...thats the only linkup at the two nations level.

As for Jaarsos of Harerge the Jahan Jaarsos (ie the six Jaarsos) all of them r oromos.
But it happens that some the subclans has some sheeggatoos the ones I gave u the names.

Zumali bear in mind that those places were not always inhabited only by Oromos and somalis. Both of us have incorporated many clans/tribes
such us Harilla etc...

B.

[bareento]

Sidaama miila
Xiyya : the arrow legged sidaamaa.

So sidaama means anybody that's not Oromo.Pretty conclusive in that case

Thug,
I think the name is some how justified.
Few weeks ago Hyper, the sulxaan of the Ogadeenis showed us his leg: it corresponds to the description of an arrow

B.

[Thuganomics]

I think that for all us Somalis.Didnt you DR Yalaxow's thread the
other day.He submitted a pic of his body and legs.Saying he pumps iron but can't do nothing with his "Miila Xiiya"

[zumaale]

Mujaahid Zumale,

U r a tough guy...why r u interested with Bursukh people?
I will give u a hint.
In those areas at macro level the somali and oromo identity interpenetrates.
At the bases of all these people lies an ancient oromo clan thats now almost defunct called Warra Huume (or Khudha Lameen Huume ie the twelve clans
of Huume). This clan is pretty much desintegrated and gave a rise to many Oromo, Somali or switcher clans.
Bursukh is one of them.

B.

Thanks bro.

Ok. Where do the Bursukh live now, Haraghe zone? What about the Noole, how many Somali clans are found among them?

I agree there are several overlapping clans along the Somali/Oromo border. What is the Oromo take on the Samaale abtiris, does Oromo abtiris link up with any Somali one?

Lastly, please give me a breakdown of adopted Jaarso clans?

Yep they live in East Harerge Zone.

When u speak about Noole u come closer to Bareento...watch out...I get mad if u imply there r none oromos in our clan
I am sorry but Oromos do not take seriously the Somali Abtirsi...we know u very well as to know u r not arabs.
One funny thing is down the Oromo genealogical tree there is a guy called Samale...thats the only linkup at the two nations level.

As for Jaarsos of Harerge the Jahan Jaarsos (ie the six Jaarsos) all of them r oromos.
But it happens that some the subclans has some sheeggatoos the ones I gave u the names.

Zumali bear in mind that those places were not always inhabited only by Oromos and somalis. Both of us have incorporated many clans/tribes
such us Harilla etc...

B.

Then why do some Jarso claim Dir? Are there any Dir subclans in Jaarso.

As for Noole, no offense but I have read that Gurguras form part of the Noole.

Bareento is a confederation if I am not mistaken which means Westward.

I must applaud the Oromos for overlooking common paternal ancestry in favour of confederations; this explains why they are more harmonious and were successful in their conquests.

Do you what Mogasha means?

[bareento]

Mujaahid Zumale,
Do u know wats survival strategy?
Few somali speaking Jarsos claiming Dir can be viewed as survival strategy.
They r cut from their Oromo folks, they r administered by Somalis in killil 5.
and u know how somalis r with minorities; they revived the old Ziad Barres ideology and claim Dir.
They couldnt claim arab affiliated somali clans as the doors r closed; so Baba dir is the only solution.
Have u noticed that many somali clans with no "convincing" arab genealoy try to lay back on Baba Dir.
Even the Warday, pure oromo clan Orma claim Dir...for obvious reasons they cant claim other arab clans.
As for the historic Dir tribe their history is vast, its probably the stock from which most present day somali clans r offshoot.

In my previous post, Bareento was referring to yours truly.
in fact Bareento means EasWard.

Common paternal ancestory is a myth...when somalis get out from "survival mode of life'", u will be less obsessed with clans.
When we were in that mode of life, we used to be pretty much the way u r today : nooles karbaashing every single Afran Qallo Tribe.
Jaarso karbaashing Alaa. Arsi intervening in the harerge clans dispute claiming they r the eldest son of Bareeytuma.
all these r history now...we r no longer nomads we work the land now, we r no longer in survival mode.

By the way Gurguras r not Noole proper, they r ilma Barcuma (literally it means son of the seat): its one of the seven concepts of Son in oromo.
its very complicated to explain.

Moggaasu litterally means giving name...its also a form of adoption etc...


God my ancestors were genius when it comes to boost the number of the clan : adoption, Tirriso, moggaasaa, ilma barcuma etc ect etc

B.

[TATI]

Sidaama miila
Xiyya : the arrow legged sidaamaa.

So sidaama means anybody that's not Oromo.Pretty conclusive in that case

No, alaaga means anybody that's not Oromo. Sidaama are ppl in south ethio..duh

[TheMailMan]

Now, in a normal day I would find this topic very interesting n would love to read it wholly from the beginning but, the amount of threads and the clashes between kts, mailman and others bout Africanimo, Somalnimo, Carabnimo, Ethnicity and Race made me sick to my stomach and I ain't giving a F anymore.

Next time I see a thread bout the origin of Somalis (or even clans) I won't even bother clicking it.

This topic irritates me to no end as well

Our positions are very clear, and we wouldn't even be having a debate anymore.....if it wasn't for people like MaliPrince constantly resurrecting this topic and giving their own outlandish ideas.

[Kareem99]

Barentu: you say Oromos don't take Somali abtiris seriously. Talk to me when Somalis give a shit about what you think of them.

If you think we believe in myths state your opinion once and move on. Difference of opinion, just leave it. No need to continually mention your contradictory opinion to a people you disagree with, it appears a little like obsession. No need to be continually inflammatory with Somalis.

Mailman: you're right. Aniga xataa meeshaaan wa ka socday.

[zumaale]

Mujaahid Zumale,
Do u know wats survival strategy?
Few somali speaking Jarsos claiming Dir can be viewed as survival strategy.
They r cut from their Oromo folks, they r administered by Somalis in killil 5.
and u know how somalis r with minorities; they revived the old Ziad Barres ideology and claim Dir.
They couldnt claim arab affiliated somali clans as the doors r closed; so Baba dir is the only solution.
Have u noticed that many somali clans with no "convincing" arab genealoy try to lay back on Baba Dir.
Even the Warday, pure oromo clan Orma claim Dir...for obvious reasons they cant claim other arab clans.
As for the historic Dir tribe their history is vast, its probably the stock from which most present day somali clans r offshoot.

In my previous post, Bareento was referring to yours truly.
in fact Bareento means EasWard.

Common paternal ancestory is a myth...when somalis get out from "survival mode of life'", u will be less obsessed with clans.
When we were in that mode of life, we used to be pretty much the way u r today : nooles karbaashing every single Afran Qallo Tribe.
Jaarso karbaashing Alaa. Arsi intervening in the harerge clans dispute claiming they r the eldest son of Bareeytuma.
all these r history now...we r no longer nomads we work the land now, we r no longer in survival mode.

By the way Gurguras r not Noole proper, they r ilma Barcuma (literally it means son of the seat): its one of the seven concepts of Son in oromo.
its very complicated to explain.

Moggaasu litterally means giving name...its also a form of adoption etc...


God my ancestors were genius when it comes to boost the number of the clan : adoption, Tirriso, moggaasaa, ilma barcuma etc ect etc

B.

Brother Bareentu

I must disagree with some of your post.

Firstly, the Gurgura were mentioned as far back as the 16th century as a Somali clan in the 16th century. It is only in the last two centuries that they became bilingual. Even to this day, they owe obedience to one Ugaas. You remember Ugaas Buuh and how he helped forge the IGLF to counter the OLF in Dire Dawa. They have always been Madaxweyne Dir.

The reason why Dir and Oromo are interchangeable in the borderlands is because they were the first line of defence and the most dominant Somali clan adjacent to the Ethiopian highlands. The Kingdom of Dawaro being one example. Hence, why a lot became assimilated into the Oromo ethnic group during the Oromo expansion. Nonetheless, they still remember their Dir roots and revert back to it when the opportunity arises. Examples are the Gurre, Garire, Akisho and some Arran Qallo.