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1. South sudan became a new country recently, hey, why not somaliland. It use to be a country, (i think) former british colony that went in to a union.SonofANomad wrote:I want people to discuss this both for and against!
i want both perspectives on this! Keep it clean alright
Start of questions for debate!
1) Why should somaliland have country of its own
2) why should it not have a country of its own.
3) in its way of getting a recognition?
4) What does Somalinimo mean for Isaaqs and the rest of the somali people!
5) is somaliland ever going to be recognized?
No hate!
i have not agianst somaliland or isaaqs! btwaxmed89 wrote:1. South sudan became a new country recently, hey, why not somaliland. It use to be a country, (i think) former british colony that went in to a union.SonofANomad wrote:I want people to discuss this both for and against!
i want both perspectives on this! Keep it clean alright
Start of questions for debate!
1) Why should somaliland have country of its own
2) why should it not have a country of its own.
3) in its way of getting a recognition?
4) What does Somalinimo mean for Isaaqs and the rest of the somali people!
5) is somaliland ever going to be recognized?
No hate!
2. It should'nt, thiers no need for it. Their's only one ethnic group in somaliland and somalia, somalis!
3. Lack of intrest in somalian affairs from world powers.
4.Nothing.
5. Doubt it. But you never know.
You've got me wrong. South sudan was recongnised cause it was of intrest to the west, cause of the oil and darfur, (darfur was always headline in western media and at the united nation's) Eventhough somalia has been in civil war and has had no functioning goverment for the last 24 years, how many times have you seen this being shown on western tv? They only time they take notice of somalia, is when a boat is hijacked or al shabab.SonofANomad wrote:i have not agianst somaliland or isaaqs! btwaxmed89 wrote:1. South sudan became a new country recently, hey, why not somaliland. It use to be a country, (i think) former british colony that went in to a union.SonofANomad wrote:I want people to discuss this both for and against!
i want both perspectives on this! Keep it clean alright
Start of questions for debate!
1) Why should somaliland have country of its own
2) why should it not have a country of its own.
3) in its way of getting a recognition?
4) What does Somalinimo mean for Isaaqs and the rest of the somali people!
5) is somaliland ever going to be recognized?
No hate!
2. It should'nt, thiers no need for it. Their's only one ethnic group in somaliland and somalia, somalis!
3. Lack of intrest in somalian affairs from world powers.
4.Nothing.
5. Doubt it. But you never know.
1. Well South sudan became a country becuz of Cultural religious and lingustics and ethnically different people from north which are basically arabs.
The south is basically charcoal nilotes! ungoing political confilicts between the two for years! solution was basically seperates the north and the south! So its not similar to Somaliland case at all
2. i know its only one clan that wants a seperate country, their reasons and arguments for the internationally community is a vert weak case and not recognized.
3. that might be it! i personally think recognizing somaliland would be like letting the puppy out of its leech and the fact that the international community wont respect or recognize a one clan enclave.
4. Sigh.. i guess u right!
5. its been 24 years i thinks its a long shot to be honest! but who knows '''
theyuusuf143 wrote:I would explain in a way that suits your wish.
1. we want to turn our isaaq clan into a major globally recognised nation. since we are stronger than any average ethnic group on earth we decided to promote our selves from clan to a nation. for that reason somaliland must exist right or wrong.
4. yes of course somaliland will be recognised simply because we isaaqs are stronger than somalia . if somalia can't invade us and take back somaliland then there must be alternative solution. in this world the weaker is always the looser.
theyuusuf143 wrote:I would explain in a way that suits your wish.
1. we want to turn our isaaq clan into a major globally recognised nation. since we are stronger than any average ethnic group on earth we decided to promote our selves from clan to a nation. for that reason somaliland must exist right or wrong.
4. yes of course somaliland will be recognised simply because we isaaqs are stronger than somalia . if somalia can't invade us and take back somaliland then there must be alternative solution. in this world the weaker is always the looser.
Jugjugwacwac wrote:Firt of all, those maps are extremely inaccurate.
I'll address your 4th question, since the rest of been covered to death already. Soomalinimo for Isaaqs is a ethno-cultural construct and is not dependent on nor augmented by politics. This has always been the conception of Soomaalinimo amongst the Somalis before dreams of Somaliwayne began to occupy the Somali psyche. For many non-isaaq Somalis a political union has become part and parcel of Somali identity, and one effectively forfeits their allegiance to soomaalinimo if they prefer a political divorce, hence why Isaaqs are deemed 'soomaali-diid'. It's easy to see why the former time-tested definition is better, as it builds its foundation on the shared and abiding characteristics inherent to Somali identity, such as ethnicity, language, culture, tradition and religion, while the latter rests on a shaky edifice, since politics is defined by constant change and volatility.
I agree with your analysis bro. Many can't distinguish between somali political aspirations and the Somali identity. I have love for somali people anywhere, but as far as politics is concerned, it seems like no one plays properly aside from waqooyi. Djibouti ,S-land,P-land, are doing relatively good, laakiin koonfur wa mayd oo lugteeni ku xidhan.
