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Does the end of Erdogan mean the end of Mogadishu's recovery?

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We all know Erdogan inspired some hope in Somalia's ghost capital city but as he faces local pressure, does his end mean the end of the Turkish presence in Mogadishu? Will the Kamalians pull out off Mogadishu and decide their focus elsewhere such as the troubled local region, which Erdogan largely ignored?

I personally think if Erdogan is removed, there is great chance the secular Turks will see very little interest in Mogadishu and thus recall their baby feeders.

Erdogan's role uncertain as Turkish parties vie for power


Two weeks after Turkey's parliamentary elections, experts agree on one thing: No one really knows what's going to happen next.



Turkey's June 7 election left Turkey's long-ruling Justice and Development Party, known by Turkish acronym AKP, short of the majority it needs to govern alone, meaning it will have to turn to at least one of the three opposition parties to secure its hold on government.

Negotiating such a coalition will be complicated by the vitriol of the campaign, the differences between the four camps and the ambitions of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, still a dominant force in Turkish politics despite his theoretically neutral role as head of state.

"Neither can I or anyone else make any predictions as to what's happening," said Ersin Kalaycioglu, a professor of Turkish politics at Sabanci University in Istanbul.

Sinan Ciddi, the director of the Institute of Turkish Studies at Georgetown University, said he wouldn't rule out anything either.

"There are as many credible scenarios out there as there are plausible political parties," he said.

One of the more credible ones involves a deal between Turkey's ruling party and the hardline nationalist party MHP, which opposes the two-year-old peace process with Turkey's autonomy-seeking Kurdish rebels. Both parties sit on the right wing of Turkish politics, but such a deal could damage AKP's relationship with Kurdish voters, a key constituency.

Alternatively, AKP could swallow its pride and strike a deal with its arch-nemesis, the secular CHP. Such a pairing would have an unassailable majority, but the rivalry between the two runs so deep it's difficult to envision them acting in tandem.

Perhaps most importantly, all the opposition parties want Erdogan to stay out of politics. It's hard to see the notoriously outspoken president backing away quietly.

It's just about conceivable that Turkey's three opposition parties, including the leftist HDP, could all band together and freeze AKP out of power, a scenario floated by Sukru Kucuksahin, a columnist for the secular-minded Hurriyet newspaper.

But even he acknowledged that was a long shot.

Ilnur Cevik, a columnist at for the pro-government Daily Sabah said coalition-building would be difficult because of "deep-rooted enmities" although he said a tie-up between AKP and the nationalists was the most likely bet. As for an alliance with the secularists, Cevik said, that would leave a bad taste in supporters' mouth.

"The grassroots don't want it," he said.

There are personal rivalries at play too, with some observers warning of a struggle within the ruling party itself. One wild card is former President Abdullah Gul, a co-founder of AKP still popular within the party. Gul has long been seen as an Erdogan ally, but a provocative memoir just published by one of Gul's former aides reads like a call for a return to frontline politics.

"I can take Turkey back to those days when its star glittered," the book quotes Gul as saying.

Then there's the prospect of political mischief. Lawmakers could be enticed to defect from the opposition in return for ministerial appointments, for example. Erdogan's critics fear his party could deliberately sabotage coalition talks, using the instability to argue for a re-run of the election in the hope of clawing back its majority.

In comments carried Sunday by Turkey's state-run Anadolu Agency, Erdogan hinted that his patience with the coalition-building process would be limited, railing against the prospect of "gridlock" if a government could not be formed quickly.

"If politicians fail to resolve this issue, the sole reference point to resolve it is the nation," he said in an apparent reference to the possibility of a new vote.

Turks will get an early hint of which way things are going next week, when lawmakers are formally sworn in and elect a speaker. Kalaycioglu, who is critical of Erdogan, said there might just be a chance that the opposition parties can elect a non-AKP speaker. That, he said, would be a sign that Erdogan's political fortunes were turning after 13 years in power.

"If they can't do that ... Then I'm afraid it's the good old-fashioned authoritarian politics we're going to be dealing with," Kalaycioglu said.
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Mogadishu will shine with or without Turkey. We are not like the hopeless Ethiopia and SL, you useless double cursed qaldaan :whew:



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Jaamac,

I think without Erdogan feeding the kids of AMISOM, the Hutus will reopen their isbaaro and resume their 25 year old civil war. The only reason they suspended it in recent months is because Erdogan cried his heart out and Hutus wanted to put on a different show. He kind of told them that they now had a father who was not going to watch them kill each others. They saw little hope there and reason to live but with Turkey gone----hope is gone for Hutus.

That we all know.
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WaaliCas wrote:We all know Erdogan inspired some hope in Somalia's ghost capital city but as he faces local pressure, does his end mean the end of the Turkish presence in Mogadishu? Will the Kamalians pull out off Mogadishu and decide their focus elsewhere such as the troubled local region, which Erdogan largely ignored?

I personally think if Erdogan is removed, there is great chance the secular Turks will see very little interest in Mogadishu and thus recall their baby feeders.

Erdogan's role uncertain as Turkish parties vie for power


Two weeks after Turkey's parliamentary elections, experts agree on one thing: No one really knows what's going to happen next.



Turkey's June 7 election left Turkey's long-ruling Justice and Development Party, known by Turkish acronym AKP, short of the majority it needs to govern alone, meaning it will have to turn to at least one of the three opposition parties to secure its hold on government.

Negotiating such a coalition will be complicated by the vitriol of the campaign, the differences between the four camps and the ambitions of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, still a dominant force in Turkish politics despite his theoretically neutral role as head of state.

"Neither can I or anyone else make any predictions as to what's happening," said Ersin Kalaycioglu, a professor of Turkish politics at Sabanci University in Istanbul.

Sinan Ciddi, the director of the Institute of Turkish Studies at Georgetown University, said he wouldn't rule out anything either.

"There are as many credible scenarios out there as there are plausible political parties," he said.

One of the more credible ones involves a deal between Turkey's ruling party and the hardline nationalist party MHP, which opposes the two-year-old peace process with Turkey's autonomy-seeking Kurdish rebels. Both parties sit on the right wing of Turkish politics, but such a deal could damage AKP's relationship with Kurdish voters, a key constituency.

Alternatively, AKP could swallow its pride and strike a deal with its arch-nemesis, the secular CHP. Such a pairing would have an unassailable majority, but the rivalry between the two runs so deep it's difficult to envision them acting in tandem.

Perhaps most importantly, all the opposition parties want Erdogan to stay out of politics. It's hard to see the notoriously outspoken president backing away quietly.

It's just about conceivable that Turkey's three opposition parties, including the leftist HDP, could all band together and freeze AKP out of power, a scenario floated by Sukru Kucuksahin, a columnist for the secular-minded Hurriyet newspaper.

But even he acknowledged that was a long shot.

Ilnur Cevik, a columnist at for the pro-government Daily Sabah said coalition-building would be difficult because of "deep-rooted enmities" although he said a tie-up between AKP and the nationalists was the most likely bet. As for an alliance with the secularists, Cevik said, that would leave a bad taste in supporters' mouth.

"The grassroots don't want it," he said.

There are personal rivalries at play too, with some observers warning of a struggle within the ruling party itself. One wild card is former President Abdullah Gul, a co-founder of AKP still popular within the party. Gul has long been seen as an Erdogan ally, but a provocative memoir just published by one of Gul's former aides reads like a call for a return to frontline politics.

"I can take Turkey back to those days when its star glittered," the book quotes Gul as saying.

Then there's the prospect of political mischief. Lawmakers could be enticed to defect from the opposition in return for ministerial appointments, for example. Erdogan's critics fear his party could deliberately sabotage coalition talks, using the instability to argue for a re-run of the election in the hope of clawing back its majority.

In comments carried Sunday by Turkey's state-run Anadolu Agency, Erdogan hinted that his patience with the coalition-building process would be limited, railing against the prospect of "gridlock" if a government could not be formed quickly.

"If politicians fail to resolve this issue, the sole reference point to resolve it is the nation," he said in an apparent reference to the possibility of a new vote.

Turks will get an early hint of which way things are going next week, when lawmakers are formally sworn in and elect a speaker. Kalaycioglu, who is critical of Erdogan, said there might just be a chance that the opposition parties can elect a non-AKP speaker. That, he said, would be a sign that Erdogan's political fortunes were turning after 13 years in power.

"If they can't do that ... Then I'm afraid it's the good old-fashioned authoritarian politics we're going to be dealing with," Kalaycioglu said.
Maskax yare, horaa looyiri Nin duulay dantii kaa og.
Turkish is for business they came for an investment so don't confused with Somaliland aid Kuwaiti , EU, US and Arab aid hangouts. This is not like Sland where every project Siilaanyo opens there is an aid organization behind it, that's hand out, but Turkish is different its an investment.

Turkish came with private investor companies who invested Mogadishu port and sea port, they take upto 50% plus the profit the rest goes to Somali government agreed both parties the next 10 years.

if Turkish pullout who will benefit? Turkish government invest Mogadishu port, airport, and hospitals this is not aid, they invest and take 50% plus the profits, they calculated 10 years to make massive profit for their investment.

they take more then 50% of profits from airport and sea port, and 100% profit from hospitals. Turkish hospital is the most expensive in Mogadishu. Unlike Kuwait and Arabs EU, and US who give aid to Sland, Turkish government don't do hangouts they come for business and investment, and they milking it as we speak.

if Turkish pulls out before their investment deal ends in ten years time, it will be their loss and Somali governments gain. Somali government will end up getting 100% profit from very well established airport and sea port business.


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libaaxyare wrote:Turkish came with private investor companies who invested Mogadishu port and sea port, they take upto 50% plus the profit the rest goes to Somali government agreed both parties the next 10 years.
The next 20 years, the turks will run the port for 20 years, not 10.
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why must you provoke people all the time xabashi boy?
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WaaliCas wrote:Jaamac,

I think without Erdogan feeding the kids of AMISOM, the Hutus will reopen their isbaaro and resume their 25 year old civil war. The only reason they suspended it in recent months is because Erdogan cried his heart out and Hutus wanted to put on a different show. He kind of told them that they now had a father who was not going to watch them kill each others. They saw little hope there and reason to live but with Turkey gone----hope is gone for Hutus.

That we all know.
You have misplaced priorities kid. Hutus are at least 50 years ahead of SL. Marka waxbo hutus haku mashquulin, kuwaan inaad ka walwashid ayaa la qaatay sxb,
Africa's best kept secret. 25 years peace and stability
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abdikarim86 wrote:why must you provoke people all the time xabashi boy?
Kiddo,

I'm not provoking anyone. With Erdogan about be sacked, we must ask ourselves what it means for feeding camps in Mogadishu and those that heavily rely on him.

We are obligated to discuss these developing issues.

If he goes you know the Turkish aid and its bread could disappear including teaching reer Mogadishu how to drink from a bottle.

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GIJaamac wrote:
WaaliCas wrote:Jaamac,

I think without Erdogan feeding the kids of AMISOM, the Hutus will reopen their isbaaro and resume their 25 year old civil war. The only reason they suspended it in recent months is because Erdogan cried his heart out and Hutus wanted to put on a different show. He kind of told them that they now had a father who was not going to watch them kill each others. They saw little hope there and reason to live but with Turkey gone----hope is gone for Hutus.

That we all know.
You have misplaced priorities kid. Hutus are at least 50 years ahead of SL. Marka waxbo hutus haku mashquulin, kuwaan inaad ka walwashid ayaa la qaatay sxb,
Africa's best kept secret. 25 years peace and stability
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The man talking to you is a Xabashi and not a Somalilander.

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Viva Ataturk! Death to Erdogan.
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WaaliCas wrote:
abdikarim86 wrote:why must you provoke people all the time xabashi boy?
Kiddo,

I'm not provoking anyone. With Erdogan about be sacked, we must ask ourselves what it means for feeding camps in Mogadishu and those that heavily rely on him.

We are obligated to discuss these developing issues.

If he goes you know the Turkish aid and its bread could disappear including teaching reer Mogadishu how to drink from a bottle.

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WaaliCas what is your ethnicity? I mean what do you regard yourself as? Somali or Ethiopian? waa suaal, no pun intended.
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Xamud. wrote:WaaliCas what is your ethnicity? I mean what do you regard yourself as? Somali or Ethiopian? waa suaal, no pun intended.
That q makes no sense since there is no such thing as an ethnic called Ethiopian.

Ethiopian is a nationality not ethnicity. Amhara, Oromo, Tigrai, Afar and Berta are examples of ethnic groups/ethnicity.

I'm an Ethio national of ethnic Isaac. Don't really identify with Somalia since it's sort of like Kenya or Djibouti to me. Just a neighbour.
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