Y'all self hating and racist somalis better listen to this woman...

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Re: Y'all self hating and racist somalis better listen to this woman...

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Alpharabius wrote: No , what i'm saying is if blacks were in the position of whites today and the roles were reversed , like non-blacks being discriminated against we Somalis for our own benefit would class ourselves as black , and we would be considered blacks, but we dont want to be associated with blacks because of their current position within the race hierarchy.
You are still Saying that what label we take and how we define ourselves is shaped by slave descandents in America! I can see ur reading comprehension is slow so i will repeat Myself

Blackness, is largely a Western or American exonym, in which all so-called Black cultures around the world are forced to fit into. As Americanism expanded so to did this notion of blackness, which is attached to the civil rights struggle and today to the urban cultures of the inner cities.

keep in mind i'm not talking about the present or the past it's all hypothetical . I personally don't believe race is based on skin color , that's just too simplistic and only ignorant under educated people would think in that way, race should be determined by genetics and language , not superficial appearances.
This has very little to do with skin color or race more to do with if the term or exonym black is valid one to define someones identity and describe them!

Slaves and dogs are named by their masters. Free men name themselves. My ancestors named me somali and not black

Black tells you how you look without telling you who you are. A more proper word for our people, Horn of African/Somali, relates us to land, history and culture.

So attaching your identity to land makes sense: Attaching your identity to an abstract color, does not. Black and African are not interchangeable in any logical sense. Nor is somali and black interchangable!


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f i were to place Somalis in a race , i would place them in the cushitic race with Oromos , Afars , and bejas , and if i were to place them in a macro race , i would place them with other E1b1b Northeast Africans and Semetic speaking Middle easterners and ethiopians . blacks in America are mostly of western Bantu origin , Bantus usually are e1b1a carriers and speak a niger-congo language , we are not even close to eachother when comes to genetics , language , culture and religion . so no we are not blacks ( when i say black i mean of Bantu and khoisan origin).
Dont know how this is relevant to the term black this isnt about distancing ourselves from other african groups like you said somalis are related and look no different to the people of northeast africa! It is if we should trade our identity for a exonym founded under the oppression of people in America and largley under european imperialism like i said describing and identify people based on land makes logical sense but identifying people based on a abstract color doesn't
I like to differentiate between identity and reality , anyone can identify as something , you even have males saying they're female even though their sexual organs , biology and chemistry are male , and that makes them males no matter how much surgery they do or how long they suppress their male hormones. robotic and other Somalis identify as black , i do not identify myself as anything because it's a fact that i am Somali who speaks the somali language , therefore i'm somali , somali is a cushitic language therefore i am also cushitic , cushitic is Afro asiatic language therefore i must be Afroasian , I'm most likely an e1b1b/t gene carrier which are predominant y haplogroups among Afro asiatics , so no matter how much i say i'm black , i will always be an Afro asiatic linguistically and genetically not a congo-niger or khoikhoi bushman , that's the reality. Self identity is moulded by society and changes over time so it can never be a reality.
I dont know what the rest of what you said means but robotic only reason she identify as black is becuz she worships african americans which you can see clearly from her avatar!

No living african should identify as black! It is destructive to call urself that and the fact that yaalow and robotic two idiotic Swedes that have shaped their own thinking and mindset After western and american tv have a hard time comprehending this!

It is amazing in our modern era that an entire nation of people, who are free to think and free to reflect-- the oldest nation on the planet, the parents to every other people are confined by a name that reflects only their supposed skin color -- and nothing else. Being "black people" is still today indelible fixed in Western lexicon

Nobody on this planet puts a adjective on their identity, especially when they are a majority, except African people. Black Africa, Dark Continent, Heart of Darkness all articulate the colonial contempt for a continent and its people. But how does one arrive at the term “black Africans,” are there green Africans? Would you speak of “yellow Chinese,” or “brown Indians”? Even terms like "White Russian" are unused, despite Russia being a multi-ethnic nation. Because 80% white means the majority have no need for adding White to their Russian to qualify against a minority of "other" Russians. Globally the term " Red Indian" is rejected as deeply pejorative

So where do Black people come from? Blackia, Negroland or Blackistan, following the obvious naming convention. What is the capital city of the Black home world? Black City or Blackatropolis? So if Africans do not come from these fictitious places and we find that so-called Black people come from Africa (at some time in our recent history) then why not just call them Africans or by they're respective land geography? At best the term is redundant. So what is the purpose of Blackness? Especially in a world where identity and land are exclusively interlinked for every other people: Jews of Israeli, Palestinians of Palestine, Indians of India, Zulu of Zululand, Masai of the Masai Mara.

A more proper word for our people, Horn of African/Somali, relates us to land, history and culture.
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Re: Y'all self hating and racist somalis better listen to this woman...

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I didn't read your entire post but i have seen some of your posts and i think you make good points with respect to somalis identifying as black.
Western blacks needed to do this given the fact that they had no other way of banding together to get by the last several hundred years in the west but newly arriving people should not have to identify as such.

I just wished that cogent arguments like this were the standard put forward by your people instead of all the extreme negativity and name calling against western blacks. The result is these good arguments are now drowned out by all the name calling...all over the internet.
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Re: Y'all self hating and racist somalis better listen to this woman...

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Robotic,

Actually, most Somalis love themselves and their actual ancestors. This is precisely why they refuse to allow madows and others with whom they share little to no ancestry to claim them. :up:

None of these people are defined by the Ethio-Somali ancestral component that defines ethnic Somalis and other Afro-Asiatic-speaking populations of Northeast Africa. Fact. That doesn't make these folks inferior or superior. It certainly does make them different, though.

It's also ironic how of all the avatars in the world that you could've settled on, you chose one of a blonde weave-wearing mulatto woman. Is that your idea of a “proud madow” lady? :lol:

The first AAs looked nothing like that. They were at the time ordinary West Africans, but they sure aren't now. Many AAs today actually have almost as much Euro ancestry as West African ancestry.

Beyonce's maternal grandparents:

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Her mother:

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An ordinary AA family, let alone typical “madows”? Please. :arrow:
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