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[gegiroor]

I read your first post, nothing.

Then you posted links to two sites that I skimmed. You couldn't even quote the pertinent parts. Yes, yes, freeing slaves is encouraged, we all know this. But does that mean it's haram or abolished? You can free 20 slaves and still own 30, that is righteous in Islam.

Verse 24:33 of the Quran says to give a slave his freedom if he asks for it? No it doesn't, it says make up a contract detailing the price for which he will be released. Are you lot too stupid to even read? It doesn't say 'if a slave asks for his freedom give it to him with no conditions."

For verse 24:33 of the Noble Quran, I have posted the commentary of that verse. If you just want to dance around it, it is your prerogative.

I have already given you twice and I will give you again the third time the verse in Quran that completely outlawed slavery. If you just don't want to believe it, quit hiding behind that Islam did not prohibit slavery. Islam prohibits slavery as verse 3:79 of the Quran make it clear. Islam also empowers the slaves by demanding their right and preventing them from becoming slaves in the first place. Islam is adamant that every human being is only slave of Allah, and no other form of slavery is allowed. The Qur’an unequivocally makes it clear that no man, irrespective of his status (including a prophet), can enslave any other human being. What more evidence do people need?

: “It is not (possible) for any human being unto whom Allah had given him the Scripture and wisdom and ‘Nabuwah’ (Prophethood) that he should afterwards have said unto mankind: Be slaves of me instead of Allah …” [Noble Quran 3:79]

That is my last comment to you in this topic. I think you're out of ammunition and just want to argue for the sake arguments.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Slavery is haraam. It's unhuman practise. . No human can own another human. Slavery is evil.

[mahoka]

Slavery is haraam. It's unhuman practise. . No human can own another human. Slavery is evil.

free labour

[SaciidAyanleh]

: “It is not (possible) for any human being unto whom Allah had given him the Scripture and wisdom and ‘Nabuwah’ (Prophethood) that he should afterwards have said unto mankind: Be slaves of me instead of Allah …” [Noble Quran 3:79]

LMAO, simple reading comprehension is beneath you. Everyone knows what is meant by that line, everyone but you I guess. This says that a prophet cannot say worship me instead of Allah, such simple and beautiful language just flies over your head.

[gegiroor]

Nonsense! Waste of time to talk to someone like you. No reason and no understanding on your part on what we have been conveyed in that verse and in the Noble Quran.

I am done with you.

[Kaafiye]

Gegiroor there's no need in continuing conversations with this complete jaahil known as SaciidAyanleh. No need at all.

[SaciidAyanleh]

Nonsense! Waste of time to talk to someone like you. No reason and no understanding on your part on what we have been conveyed in that verse and in the Noble Quran.

I am done with you.

Gegiroor there's no need in continuing conversations with this complete jaahil known as SaciidAyanleh. No need at all.

LMAO, you call me jaahil and you agree with gegi's interpretation?

bro, you're killing me with your stupidity.

3:79-80 (http://quran.com/3)

It is not for a human [prophet] that Allah should give him the Scripture and authority and prophethood and then he would say to the people, "Be servants to me rather than Allah ," but [instead, he would say], "Be pious scholars of the Lord because of what you have taught of the Scripture and because of what you have studied."

Nor could he order you to take the angels and prophets as lords. Would he order you to disbelief after you had been Muslims?

Done, deaded. Sit down, cross your legs Indian style and pout punks. There aint no point talking sense into me with lies, come with truth next time.

LMAO, Kaafiye is always saying "do the research, do the research," what good is research if you lack basic comprehension?

[Kaafiye]

This guy SaciidAyanleh is functionally retarded. Look at how he deliberately took Islamic scriptures out of context.

I'm done here. I've said what I needed to say and I gave my evidences as well as a video by an Islamic Teacher who outlined the position of slavery in Islam. If I say anything more, I'd be repeating myself.

[SaciidAyanleh]

The entire context is offered in the link In fact it was Gegi who offered no context for the excerpt and I provided that context.

Aint no one as slow as Kaafiye.

Slavery is halal. Get over it. Stop apologizing for and altering Islam.

[Cherine]

Good Lord!

What a waste of precious time[which you'll never get back btw] and energy. You guys hate each other, will never ever be able to convince the other of your viewpoints so why not just avoid each other like the plague? Don't let these people inay Ramadaanka iyo cibaadaada ilaahay idinka seejiyaan.

[Alpharabius]

If slavery is "haram", why would Allah recommend having intercourse with your slave girl as a halal and better alternative to zina ?.

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).

Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.

But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]

“And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice”

[al-Nisa’ 4:3]

Islamic slavery is halal and moral , we shouldn't make what allah made halal for us into haram in order to appease gaalo. ilaahay ka baqa.

I'm gonna make this very short as I'm on my phone;

But Islam is very clear on its position regarding slavery. Only those who are captured as prisoners of war are taken in as captives. The captive is the "slave" that was captured as a result of wars being fought between the Islamic Caliphate and other nations. It's quite similar to the capturing of prisoners of war here in the 21st century, where nations imprison these captives instead. During the 7th century, such a position was impractical as there didn't exist the technology or wealth to create these facilities to house war-prisoners, and thus they were distributed amongst the combatant army. The captives were prohibited from being harmed, beaten, insulted, or degraded. And if they requested freedom then it was given to them and this was compulsory in Islam. The Quran in Surah 24:33 orders this as well; in that those who requested freedom were immediately granted it. Thus Islam set the stage for the abolition of slavery and the prohibition of taking new slaves unless they were prisoners of war.

It's all very detailed and there are numerous books covering this subject, something I won't get into right here.

Since the Islamic empire at that time was expanding and numerous wars were being fought against the Persians , Byzantiums and their allied Arab tribes, that means there would always be slaves , since war was very common , also slavery wasn't just limited to prisoners of war (soldiers) , it also included the Soldiers wives , children and property , that doesn't happen in the 21st century to non combatants , you cant compare it to modern day POW, and no slaves could not just ask for freedom and be free , if that was possible there would be no point in capturing them, it came with conditions that not every captive could meet.

Anyway, We can both agree that Slavery was and is halal and was practised by the Prophet (saw) and his companions , but it was a different form of Slavery to say the Atlantic slave traders , right ? , but at the end of the day it was still SLAVERY. it was moral and halal , not according to humans but to Allah(swt )who even says having sexual intercousre with slave is halal and should protect you from zina , i take Allah words over any human and for anyone to say it's haram, after reading the Ayahs i quoted in my previous post is a kufar , plain and simple.

[ZubeirAwal]

Alpha for arguements sake, hypothetically speaking if you were warring with another somali tribe and your side becomes the victors of a battle would you take the wives and daughters of an enemy and justify it according to your ta'weel of the quran?

[Kaafiye]

Alpharabius but I agree with you. The only reason why I compare it to POW's is for practical reasons. In Islam, the captives of war are the only ones recognized as slaves, and it's not comparable to the transatlantic slave trade whatsoever. It is absolutely haram to just capture innocent bystanders and enslave them. There are rules and conditions here which Islam lays out clearly. The enslavement of POW's during a time of war is legitimate and there's nothing wrong with it. However, in Islam the captives are forbidden from being harmed and they are given the right to request their freedom, in exchange for a contract that stipulates the conditions of their release.

[Alpharabius]

Alpha for arguements sake, hypothetically speaking if you were warring with another somali tribe and your side becomes the victors of a battle would you take the wives and daughters of an enemy and justify it according to your ta'weel of the quran?

No, assuming these Somali tribes are Muslim i wouldn't , it's illegal under shariah to enslave a fellow Muslim , but if they are gaalo i wouldn't hesitate