Sectarianism

[gegiroor]

Brother Gegiroor.

You better off trying to bring some sanity to our own sectarianism (clannism) instead of playing referee to onion bhaji.

Our clannism is just too primitive and its cure is an enlightenment - the enlightenment that I've referred here is deep understanding of our faith since we're all Sunnis. However, the conflict raging in the Middle East, you will just find the same clan having Shia and Sunni Muslims. The tragedy of this conflict is, each group is declaring the other group to be infidels. Once you reach that level, you're the point of no return. You have endless fatwas issued, you have young men volunteering from all corners of the Muslim world, and you have the enemies of Islam arming all groups.

Even if you look at the conflict that took place in the 7th century, both Shia and Sunni in those days saw themselves as Muslims; their differences were political only. Today's difference is based on religion and the sectarian differences are used to call for jihad on each side. If you tell them you're both Muslims, it is like you're talking to a wall.

This is most likely the Fitna that we have been clearly warned in the Holy Qur'an and authentic hadiths:

“And fear the ‘Fitnah’ which affects not in particular those of you who do wrong (but it may afflict all the good & bad people together), and know that Allah is severe in punishment.” (Aayah No. 25, Surah Al-Anfal, Chapter No. 8, Holy Qur’an).

Narrated Aishah (RA): I heard Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) in his Salat, seeking refuge with Allah from the Fitnah of ‘Ad-Dajjal’.
(Hadith No. 7129, Book of Al-Fitan, Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 9).

Regarding how severe an impact this Fitnah will have on the people, the Prophet (PBUH) said: Between the creation of Adam (AS) and the onset of the Hour, there is no creation that has more impact than the ‘Dajjal’ – (Hadith No. 7395 (2946), Book of Tribulations & Portents of the Hour, Sahih Muslim, Vol. 7).

I understand where you coming from but what can you/we do for other Muslims when our house on fire? Nothing. I think we are worse because we all Muslim, Sunni, Somalis, one language and one culture yet so divided. And for what?

Marka aad weyseysaneyso ma lugahaad kaga bilowda mise gacmaha?
bismillahirrahmanirrahim iyo Audhu Billahi mina-Shaitan-nir-Rajeem midkee bah horeeya?

We are all muslim but we have different needs and different pressing issues unique to each Muslim nation.

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Allaw Dhawr oo u gargaar umada Soomaaliyeed.

It is affecting us already. In reality I am concerned about Somali issues as much as I am concerned on Somali issues. However, don't forget this:

• • • • Virtues of Al Shaam and its People

(Al-Shaam: refers to the lands currently known as Jordan, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Parts of northern Egypt, and parts of western Iraq)

1) From Zayd ibn thabit Al-ansari (radiya allahu anhu) said I heard the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم say: “O tooba (a tree in paradise/glad tidings) for the Shaam!, O tooba (a tree in paradise/glad tidings) for the Shaam!, O tooba (a tree in paradise/glad tidings) for the Shaam!”
They said: “O Messanger of Allah! How did they get this?” He replied “The angels of Allah have rested their wings upon the Shaam”
Sheikh Al-albani says: The hadith is Sahih. It was narrated in Al-tirmidhi and other than it.


2) From Abdulla Ibn Hawala, the Messanger صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “You will be split up into groups of armies. An army will be in Al-shaam, an army in Iraq, and an army in Yemen.”

Abdullah said: I stood up and said…”choose for me oh Messenger of Allah.”
The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “Upon you is Al-shaam; and whoever cannot, let him go to Yemen, and let him drink from its water, for Allah has assured (secured) for me Al-shaam and its people.

Rabi’a said: I heard Aba Idris narrating this hadith and he would say: “who ever Allah has given assurance then there is no fear over him.”
Sheikh Al-albani says this hadith is Sahih Jidan (very authentic)

3) From Abdullah Ibn Omar (radiya allahu anhuma) he said: The messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said, I saw a pillar of the book was taken from underneath my pillow and I looked and it was an extending light directed toward Al-shaam. Verily al-iman (the faith), at the time of fitan (turmoil) is in Al-shaam.


4) From Mu’awiya ibn Qura (raised to the Prophet) (radiya allahu anhu): The Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “If the people of Al-shaam are corrupted then there is no good in you. There will always be a group of my Ummah that will be victorious, and they will not be harmed by those who seek to humiliate them until the hour comes.
Sheikh Al-albani declared this as an authentic hadith.

P.S. Somalis' internal bickering is useless and primitive. Keep your eyes in Shaam. Indeed faith is in Shaam!

[gegiroor]

Ok qabilist fuck-tard, you can have your shitty thread back

Useless qosol-gariir. Don't come here, bashing our faith, and expect us to let you get away with it. Go and run with with your gay-loving, religion-bashing beliefs, but quit rubbing your garbage on our noses.

Qabiilist? Who is not here who is not qabiilist? I called it a lack of ammunition when punk like you hide behind you're qabiilist, as if it is they are not themselves qabiilist. You're in a much worse sh-t: A gay-loving, Islam hating pigot. How about that for a change? Go and run with your homo friends and quit waving it in front of us. Get it, loser!!

[jalaaludin5]

With all do respect Al-sham should be far from our thoughts. Walaahi I mean that sxb. In the sense that selective quotation and taking verses to fit into our own confused state of mind in regards to events in the middle east in the foolish hope that somehow we can precipitate the second coming.

Where does it say in Islam that Muslims should drop everything they doing and rush to the Middle East?

Where do the forgotten Rohingyas come into the equation?

Does the mention of Al-sham override the suffering of Muslims who do not reside in the Middle East?

Hadba saaca joogan tukada salaade........I hope you following bro.
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[gegiroor]

Because our problems are interconnected. In today's arrangements, no group of Muslim would be able to solve its issues in isolation. That does not mean we don't have to try out to resolve our Somali problems, but I am a believer that our problems are not happening in isolation. They are happening for a reason, and every Arab and Muslim nation is feeling the same heat. Besides, Somali issues need a reason and common sense to prevail. Too bad if we're too primitive to understand it. There is nothing that stops Somalis from embracing coexistence and reconciliation.

It is not taking the Quran and hadiths in isolation for understanding Shaam and how it is critical to all Muslims. Nothing in this world happens by accident. It is about understanding the current situation of Muslims and what learned Islamic scholars said about it.

My take on this is, Somali situation can't be taken outside of what is happening the Muslim world. It directly affects us (Somalis) as much as it affects on other Muslims. I also see Somalia situation right now, as far as I know, is heading in the right direction. Every day that goes by, the Somali situation is improving. Maasha'Allah! Glory to Allah!

[Machiavelli2]

gegiroor

Ina Adeer

To Allah SWT Sham is no more favourable to HIM than Somalia and Somalia is no more favourable to HIM than Nigeria. You have to understand the hadiths you quoted as a historical political context were coined in supporting Muawiyah, his son Yaziid and the Ummuyad dynasty. There was nothing special about Sham than say Somalia or Rohyngia Burma. You posted here hadiths from Mu'waya and others confirmed as Sahih by Sheikh Albani because to you, he is a Salafi infallible human. All the Salafis promote Mu'waiyah and his son Yaziid and forget/deny the violence and hatred expressed towards to Ali RA and his family. Furthermore, you posted ridiculing statements about Sufis because when you hear Sufis, you think about a militia in Somalia that you deem to be your tribal enemies and thus hate the word sufi. What Ummah are we talking about? Unite Somalia first. No pun.

[SahanGalbeed]

It is the saudi mentality , they are like your tribe , they need an enemy

[gegiroor]

gegiroor

Ina Adeer

To Allah SWT Sham is no more favourable to HIM than Somalia and Somalia is no more favourable to HIM than Nigeria. You have to understand the hadiths you quoted as a historical political context were coined in supporting Muawiyah, his son Yaziid and the Ummuyad dynasty. There was nothing special about Sham than say Somalia or Rohyngia Burma. You posted here hadiths from Mu'waya and others confirmed as Sahih by Sheikh Albani because to you, he is a Salafi infallible human. All the Salafis promote Mu'waiyah and his son Yaziid and forget/deny the violence and hatred expressed towards to Ali RA and his family. Furthermore, you posted ridiculing statements about Sufis because when you hear Sufis, you think about a militia in Somalia that you deem to be your tribal enemies and thus hate the word sufi. What Ummah are we talking about? Unite Somalia first. No pun.

I will divide my response into three parts: (1) Hadiths about Sham; (2) Mu'awiyah and his son Yaziid; (3) and my view on Sufis.

First, the hadiths are authentic in Bukhari and Muslim. They are referring to Dajjal; the fitnah, the wars that will be waged in Shaam by forces who are working or indirectly controlled by Dajjal and his minions; and which forces we should be with at the time of the great fitna. They are giving us a great indication what will happen to us and indeed what is happening today. It is a long discussion, and I strongly urge you to read through Ilmul aakhir zamaan (Islamic Eschatology). That is my understanding of those hadiths. They are giving us guidance.

Second, I am a believer that Hussein Ibn Ali (ra)was right when he challenged Mu'awiya (ra) after the latter wanted his son Yaziid to be ruler of the Muslims. At the same time I don't hold any thing against Mu'awiyah, as he is one of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) who have been promised to enter Janna. Like many Muslims, I believe there were fitna created amongst the Muslims, and they were caught up in that scheme. As for Yaziid, with my limited knowledge in those events, I don't hold him in high regard.

Third and final note, I think you just guessed my defense on Salafists from people in this forum who issue blanket statements when they are attacking them. I defend Salafists and Sufis alike, and in my book, they are both fellow Sunni Muslims. However, I just don't get when Sufis attack Salafists in this forum and somebody responds, why is it that we attacked Sufis? If Sufis mock Salafists, they should expect that they will be mocked too. Simple rule!

P.S. Real Salafists are rotting in Saudi prisons and many more have been killed. You will need to differentiate the bogus Saudi-run groups from real Salafists.

[Cherine]

gegiroor

Ina Adeer

To Allah SWT Sham is no more favourable to HIM than Somalia and Somalia is no more favourable to HIM than Nigeria. You have to understand the hadiths you quoted as a historical political context were coined in supporting Muawiyah, his son Yaziid and the Ummuyad dynasty. There was nothing special about Sham than say Somalia or Rohyngia Burma. You posted here hadiths from Mu'waya and others confirmed as Sahih by Sheikh Albani because to you, he is a Salafi infallible human. All the Salafis promote Mu'waiyah and his son Yaziid and forget/deny the violence and hatred expressed towards to Ali RA and his family. Furthermore, you posted ridiculing statements about Sufis because when you hear Sufis, you think about a militia in Somalia that you deem to be your tribal enemies and thus hate the word sufi. What Ummah are we talking about? Unite Somalia first. No pun.

Well Said.

[metamorphosis]

A global Muslim community united under one banner will never exist until prophet Isa(AS) comes back.

[gegiroor]

A global Muslim community united under one banner will never exist until prophet Isa(AS) comes back.

Well said.

In my understanding, Imaamul-Mahdi will lead the upraising that will overthrow the systems that sustain the fitna (dissent, hate, and killings) within Muslims, and his followers will be the followers of Prophet Isa (AS) who will restore the universal global Umma after the death of Dajjal Al-Mesihi and the destruction of Gog and Magog by Allah (swt).

[gegiroor]

gegiroor

Ina Adeer

To Allah SWT Sham is no more favourable to HIM than Somalia and Somalia is no more favourable to HIM than Nigeria. You have to understand the hadiths you quoted as a historical political context were coined in supporting Muawiyah, his son Yaziid and the Ummuyad dynasty. There was nothing special about Sham than say Somalia or Rohyngia Burma. You posted here hadiths from Mu'waya and others confirmed as Sahih by Sheikh Albani because to you, he is a Salafi infallible human. All the Salafis promote Mu'waiyah and his son Yaziid and forget/deny the violence and hatred expressed towards to Ali RA and his family. Furthermore, you posted ridiculing statements about Sufis because when you hear Sufis, you think about a militia in Somalia that you deem to be your tribal enemies and thus hate the word sufi. What Ummah are we talking about? Unite Somalia first. No pun.

Well Said.

• • • • Virtues of Al Shaam and its People

(Al-Shaam: refers to the lands currently known as Jordan, Syria, Palestine, Lebanon, Parts of northern Egypt, and parts of western Iraq)

1) From Zayd ibn thabit Al-ansari (radiya allahu anhu) said I heard the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم say: “O tooba (a tree in paradise/glad tidings) for the Shaam!, O tooba (a tree in paradise/glad tidings) for the Shaam!, O tooba (a tree in paradise/glad tidings) for the Shaam!”
They said: “O Messanger of Allah! How did they get this?” He replied “The angels of Allah have rested their wings upon the Shaam”
Sheikh Al-albani says: The hadith is Sahih. It was narrated in Al-tirmidhi and other than it.


2) From Abdulla Ibn Hawala, the Messanger صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “You will be split up into groups of armies. An army will be in Al-shaam, an army in Iraq, and an army in Yemen.”

Abdullah said: I stood up and said…”choose for me oh Messenger of Allah.”
The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “Upon you is Al-shaam; and whoever cannot, let him go to Yemen, and let him drink from its water, for Allah has assured (secured) for me Al-shaam and its people.

Rabi’a said: I heard Aba Idris narrating this hadith and he would say: “who ever Allah has given assurance then there is no fear over him.”
Sheikh Al-albani says this hadith is Sahih Jidan (very authentic)

3) From Abdullah Ibn Omar (radiya allahu anhuma) he said: The messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وسلم said, I saw a pillar of the book was taken from underneath my pillow and I looked and it was an extending light directed toward Al-shaam. Verily al-iman (the faith), at the time of fitna (turmoil) is in Al-shaam.


4) From Mu’awiya ibn Qura (raised to the Prophet) (radiya allahu anhu): The Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم said: “If the people of Al-shaam are corrupted then there is no good in you. There will always be a group of my Ummah that will be victorious, and they will not be harmed by those who seek to humiliate them until the hour comes.
Sheikh Al-albani declared this as an authentic hadith.

The hadiths are not negating Somalia nor any other Muslim land, but there is a reason why Shaam was chosen; it is the place where Dajjal-led system will die. They are pointing to a particular point in history where an evil system will end, and that system will die in Shaam. Muslims will triumph over Dajjal, Gog and Magog, and all evil doers, and the Global Islamic Umma will be restored.

I hope and pray Somalis understand the context that hadiths talk about without getting emotional and sectarian as well

[Firefly]

gegiroor

Ina Adeer

To Allah SWT Sham is no more favourable to HIM than Somalia and Somalia is no more favourable to HIM than Nigeria. You have to understand the hadiths you quoted as a historical political context were coined in supporting Muawiyah, his son Yaziid and the Ummuyad dynasty. There was nothing special about Sham than say Somalia or Rohyngia Burma. You posted here hadiths from Mu'waya and others confirmed as Sahih by Sheikh Albani because to you, he is a Salafi infallible human. All the Salafis promote Mu'waiyah and his son Yaziid and forget/deny the violence and hatred expressed towards to Ali RA and his family. Furthermore, you posted ridiculing statements about Sufis because when you hear Sufis, you think about a militia in Somalia that you deem to be your tribal enemies and thus hate the word sufi. What Ummah are we talking about? Unite Somalia first. No pun.

This is incorrect brother. Allah SWT has created the months and He favoured Ramadan; Allah SWT created the days of the week and He favoured Friday; Allah SWT created the nights and He favoured Lailatul Qadr (Night of Power); Allah SWT made the days and He favoured the Day of Arafat.

Allah SWT sent forth Prophets and Messengers and He favoured some over others. Allah SWT made all the languages in the world and He favoured Arabic. In that same respect, Allah SWT made all the lands and He favoured As-Shaam. It is a blessed land and it has been blessed since the time of Ibrahim AS and Isma'eel AS. This is mentioned in the Qur'an itself.

Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing. [Surah Isra, Aya 1] The surroundings that is mentioned is Bilad-al-Shaam. The Baitul Maqdis which is mentioned in the Quran is in fact part of Bilad al Sham.

Allah SWT has also created mankind and other creatures and He favoured mankind and has honoured the children of Adam. So yes, the land of Shaam is blessed and favoured. Some of the hadeeths about Shaam are fabricated but the majority are correct and the scholars of Ahlul Sunnah have reached a consensus about it.

Shaam is modern day Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. It's not just Syria. Nabi Isa AS will come from Shaam when he returns and he will fight and kill the Dajjal in Shaam. The Prophet SAW had told us there will be many trials and battles in as-Shaam but that as-Shaam will always emerge victorious because there will always be a band of mujahideen fighting for the good and expelling the evil.

Lets not say Shaam has nothing to do with us etc please lets reconsider our words. As the Prophet SAW said: " The ummah is like one body. If one limb, one area, one finger of the whole body is in pain, then the whole body will be in pain because they will not be able to sleep. They will be suffering a fever.”

It is clannism that destroyed our country and led to us being refugees in our thousands in foreign lands. Nationalism, clannism, racism etc are all diseases of the heart. What binds Muslims together is Tawheed and is far more precious and stronger than blood ties or ancestry or nationalism. We will all surely die and be taken to account so ask yourself how do you want to be judged by Allah?

[jalaaludin5]

gegiroor

Ina Adeer

To Allah SWT Sham is no more favourable to HIM than Somalia and Somalia is no more favourable to HIM than Nigeria. You have to understand the hadiths you quoted as a historical political context were coined in supporting Muawiyah, his son Yaziid and the Ummuyad dynasty. There was nothing special about Sham than say Somalia or Rohyngia Burma. You posted here hadiths from Mu'waya and others confirmed as Sahih by Sheikh Albani because to you, he is a Salafi infallible human. All the Salafis promote Mu'waiyah and his son Yaziid and forget/deny the violence and hatred expressed towards to Ali RA and his family. Furthermore, you posted ridiculing statements about Sufis because when you hear Sufis, you think about a militia in Somalia that you deem to be your tribal enemies and thus hate the word sufi. What Ummah are we talking about? Unite Somalia first. No pun.

This is incorrect brother. Allah SWT has created the months and He favoured Ramadan; Allah SWT created the days of the week and He favoured Friday; Allah SWT created the nights and He favoured Lailatul Qadr (Night of Power); Allah SWT made the days and He favoured the Day of Arafat.

Allah SWT sent forth Prophets and Messengers and He favoured some over others. Allah SWT made all the languages in the world and He favoured Arabic. In that same respect, Allah SWT made all the lands and He favoured As-Shaam. It is a blessed land and it has been blessed since the time of Ibrahim AS and Isma'eel AS. This is mentioned in the Qur'an itself.

Exalted is He who took His Servant by night from al-Masjid al-Haram to al-Masjid al- Aqsa, whose surroundings We have blessed, to show him of Our signs. Indeed, He is the Hearing, the Seeing. [Surah Isra, Aya 1] The surroundings that is mentioned is Bilad-al-Shaam. The Baitul Maqdis which is mentioned in the Quran is in fact part of Bilad al Sham.

Allah SWT has also created mankind and other creatures and He favoured mankind and has honoured the children of Adam. So yes, the land of Shaam is blessed and favoured. Some of the hadeeths about Shaam are fabricated but the majority are correct and the scholars of Ahlul Sunnah have reached a consensus about it.

Shaam is modern day Palestine, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. It's not just Syria. Nabi Isa AS will come from Shaam when he returns and he will fight and kill the Dajjal in Shaam. The Prophet SAW had told us there will be many trials and battles in as-Shaam but that as-Shaam will always emerge victorious because there will always be a band of mujahideen fighting for the good and expelling the evil.

Lets not say Shaam has nothing to do with us etc please lets reconsider our words. As the Prophet SAW said: " The ummah is like one body. If one limb, one area, one finger of the whole body is in pain, then the whole body will be in pain because they will not be able to sleep. They will be suffering a fever.”

It is clannism that destroyed our country and led to us being refugees in our thousands in foreign lands. Nationalism, clannism, racism etc are all diseases of the heart. What binds Muslims together is Tawheed and is far more precious and stronger than blood ties or ancestry or nationalism. We will all surely die and be taken to account so ask yourself how do you want to be judged by Allah?

When we say Sham has nothing to do with us we are talking about in the contexts its been used to manipulate and hold muslims hostage emotionally. Do you agree with the way its been used today to brainwash teenage girls to join the "Jihad" in Syria?

Maybe you misunderstood the point we are trying make when we say 'Sham doesn't concern us'. And diminishing the plight of Somali to mere Clannism, like its a hey fever, and the problems in Sham, like a internal bleeding, that require our at most attention is disingenuous to say the least.

None of us will never dare to contradict the Qur'an deliberately but at the same time we will not be blindsided with selective quotation and emotional blackmail.
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[Firefly]

When we say Sham has nothing to do with us we are talking about in the contexts its been used to manipulate and hold muslims hostage emotionally. Do you agree with the way its been used today to brainwash teenage girls to join the "Jihad" in Syria?

Maybe you misunderstood the point we are trying make when we say 'Sham doesn't concern us'. And diminishing the plight of Somali to mere Clannism, like its a hey fever, and the problems in Sham, like a internal bleeding, that require our at most attention is disingenuous to say the least.

None of us will never dare to contradict the Qur'an deliberately but at the same time we will not be blindsided with selective quotation and emotional blackmail.
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I don't think the thread was touching upon that, from what I gathered it is about the splitting up of Muslims and Muslim infighting in Sham. I could be wrong and maybe Udun could correct me. I don't agree with young Muslims going there to fight at all. Especially young girls. Muslims in Syria are better equipped with dealing with it just like Somalis are better equipped with dealing with the problems they face and working together to find a solution.

I wasn't reducing the plight of any Muslims. Most Muslim countries are suffering from those ailments that I've mentioned and I focused on Somalis because this is a problem that is facing us and that we need to deal with. As per the hadeeth walaal, if Somalis are suffering the rest of the Ummah should feel it too but as Muslims we have wahn in our hearts which is blinding us.

I wasn't implying that any of you would reject any part of the Qur'an or contradict it. However, it was a reminder for us all. In any case, I apologise for the misunderstanding and if any offence was caused by my words.

[Machiavelli2]

gerigoor

Ina Adeer, your heart is in the right place but your mind is somewhere else. You seem to understand very clearly when you stated, "Both groups are using preachers on both sides to declare jihad and recruit fighters from all over the world to fight the Syrian civil war." How do they do this? They do it by presenting dalil (Sunnah & Quraan) picked out of context and tailored to their agenda. How are those hadiths you quoted different when the intent in Sham at that era was Political rather than spiritual. We need not to revisit that painful Islamic era as there are no benefits to be gained from but, if you want to really understand the original fitnah, it started that era which is still raging. Now it is fuelled by a sect who doesn't tolerate mainstream Sunni groups, let alone Shias. If there was something special about Sham, Allah SWT would have mentioned and told us in the Quraan, this kind of mindset is why Muslims ignore the plight of other Muslims like those in CAR, Somalia, Burma ETC. and consider aradul Sham, aradul Arabia to be pure and more blessed than others.

Third and final note, I think you just guessed my defense on Salafists from people in this forum who issue blanket statements when they are attacking them. I defend Salafists and Sufis alike, and in my book, they are both fellow Sunni Muslims. However, I just don't get when Sufis attack Salafists in this forum and somebody responds, why is it that we attacked Sufis? If Sufis mock Salafists, they should expect that they will be mocked too. Simple rule!

Most of the time, this kind of debates are started by those who claim to be the saved sect and are well known for their lack of self control and aqlaaq and are very quick to judge, defame and insult others who may not share similar ideology with them. Since you like to call for "peace and coexistence" among others, then why cant you chastise your fellow salafis when they trespass and insult others who are their fellow Somalis?

P.S. Real Salafists are rotting in Saudi prisons and many more have been killed. You will need to differentiate the bogus Saudi-run groups from real Salafists.

How are they "Real Salafis"? Those who are in prison in Saudi Arabia are the Salafi Jihadists whom you admonish in your first post on this thread. Time and again, you posted how you dislike Alqaeda, Alshabab, Boko Haram and ISIS, those who the Saudis arrested have similar philosophy as these groups. Do you want Saudi Arabia to turn into another Syria or Iraq? Abd al-Aziz ibn Abd Allah ibn Baaz and Muhammad ibn al Uthaymeen were great Salafi scholars who supported the Saudi Gov't against Alqaeda and ISIS Saudi scholars, were they wrong? Would you have preferred them to be released and issue Fatwas of suicide bombings against Shia and Sufi mosques in Saudi Arabia? They will incite the public against the government and voula, you have anarchy in Saudi Arabia, is that a good idea? You contradict in your statements.

This how most of them are dealt in Saudi jails.

A rare look inside a Saudi prison that showers terrorists with perks.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mid ... story.html

For all of the young people (Somalis and others) who were recruited to join the Islamic State were Salafis and they were told these Hadiths of Sham as being blessed more than other places, the fact is in Islam, Sham has no special status than Somalia or Mali. You might motivate one of those young hothead Salafis into believing Sham is unique in Islam and should be defended from "mushrikiin" such as Shia and others and they might travel there to join ISIS. Brother, the real Jihad is in Somalia. A Jihad where we can fight qabiil jahliya, poverty, hunger, illiteracy, child mortality, diseases, lack of infrastructure and return back our lost pride and bani'aadamnimo to our country and people. People in that region are more wealthier, educated and resourceful than us and have the potential to solve their own problems. We got ours.

Firefly

Ina Adeer we need definite prove from the Quraan because you quoted similar hadiths as brother gerigoor. As for Baitul Maqdas, it is closer to Israel than to Syria, Jordan or Lebanon, does that mean Israel is blessed too? The problem in Sham was political. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey and Israel collaborated and decided they have to overthrow Asad out of power. If that is Jihad for you, you might have a good ear to like whatever the Saudi Imams spew that gerigoor mentioned in his initial post. There is no jihad in Sham, just political manoeuvring of some powers to fulfil their interests.

If you guys understand Arabic, you might like this Saudi comedian who makes fun of ISIS and his show is called Selfie.