ProAssad yet anti MSB?

[gurey25]

Leftist hit the nail on the head accept his rant on slavery, FAH is a closet supporter Assad and is seeking to defame me by using my earlier views against me. Why the need to repost quotes from 3 years ago? Yes, I already admitted to supporting stability and order in Syria during that time because of the fresh Arab Spring that emerged. We have already seen the devastation of Iraq withou Saddam and the lawlessness in Libya after Qaddafi. At that time I knew Syrians would not achieve anything by demonstrating and the sound and logical thing to do was to not start unrest in Syria. But after Syrian regime's devastating chemical attack on Ghoutta and the massacres of Bayda and Baniyas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayda_and ... _massacres I could no longer support that position and urged Assad to go.

But you oh gurey are continuing to claim the upper morale ground by constantly ranting against takfiris carnage and continue to ignore the facts on the ground. the Syrian people have showed support and solidatory with many moderate rebels like the FSA and Jaysh al Islam front,yt your moral conscious continues to be silent as you cheer for more Russian strikes against these legitimate resistances.

I do not ignore the facts on the ground, there is no millitary solution to the Syrian problem, because you will have a failed state.
After Assad falls, ISIS will fight Alnusra and others and win, during this fight there will be "Peace keepers" NATO with some arab countries fighting
dozens of different groups as well as ISIS for ever, till they leave decade later, and after even more civilians are dead.

The rebels have refused all talks because they believed western and Gulf support will gaurentee them victory.
why talk win you will win everything right?

The Russians and Iranians have forced Assad to agree to real negotiations where it will lead to powersharing, early in 2012 and 2013 and last year.
The Russians reiterated the condition of a negotiated settlement again before going into Syria recently.
Why does the Syrian government have a role in future talks?

its because it still controls around 20%of the territory and around 35% of the popualtion, including all the minorities which make up at least 15% of the population.

Its also why the Russians are hitting Alnusra and other groups harder than ISIS, because it sees them as future negotiations partners
it wants to weaken them militarily and secure the Syrian States strategic position.

So all those talks about an afghanistan situation and getting in a quagmire is overblown,
by having a very narrow focus, they can secure the Syrian Governments hold over its territory by only gaining a few percentage points in land mass.

1: strategically contain the west by the air campaign using only 35 planes.
2: inflict sever defeats on the opposition to weaken them and gain enough territory to make it easier to defend and hold.
3: weaken the rebels before negotiations begin.

Assad will never rule the whole of Syria, but his regime will be a major player in Syria for the forseasble future.

[Garaad_LQ]

Here's an example:

When the West practices slavery(for ~ 500 years)
When the Muslim world practices slavery, for 1400 years,

So there was no slavery in the western world prior to that time ???and you're calling people caqli dugaag ?
Most of us if not all can detect your anti-Islam hidden agenda that you love to inject into every topic even when it has nothing to do with Islam or religion

[gegiroor]

Here's an example:

When the West practices slavery(for ~ 500 years)
When the Muslim world practices slavery, for 1400 years,

So there was no slavery in the western world prior to that time ???and you're calling people caqli dugaag ?
Most of us if not all can detect your anti-Islam hidden agenda that you love to inject into every topic even when it has nothing to do with Islam or religion

[gegiroor]

Grandpa, Somalis will always follow their clannish nonsense in Somalia. Never expect them to hold a credible line.

As for Syria, my advice to you is until you see the Saudi, Turkish, and Iranian governments; and the powers that be falling, don't support any group but make dua for the Muslims in Syria. The Syrian conflict will take at least 90% of world population with it. This is the conflict that will cause the Malhama (The Great War). It is the conflict that will cause the fall of the Dajjal empire and the rise of the Khilafa. Indeed the road ahead is very painful for Arabs and Muslims, but the final conclusion of this conflict will be joyous to Muslims.

[26June1960]

Grandpa, Somalis will always follow their clannish nonsense in Somalia. Never expect them to hold a credible line.

As for Syria, my advice to you is until you see the Saudi, Turkish, and Iranian governments; and the powers that be falling, don't support any group but make dua for the Muslims in Syria. The Syrian conflict will take at least 90% of world population with it. This is the conflict that will cause the Malhama (The Great War). It is the conflict that will cause the fall of the Dajjal empire and the rise of the Khilafa. Indeed the road ahead is very painful for Arabs and Muslims, but the final conclusion of this conflict will be joyous to Muslims.

[gegiroor]

Just follow the Quran and hadiths on this subject from learned Idlamic scholars and you will see time we are in.

[luis1]

Hundreds of Ethiopian special forces (wearing the same ragtag militia uniform as the SNM) fought side by side with the SNM.

I would like to know if the ethiopian special forces were useful to SNM militias.

Did Ethiopians help SNM to destroy Barre army?

[jalaaludin5]

Hundreds of Ethiopian special forces (wearing the same ragtag militia uniform as the SNM) fought side by side with the SNM.

I would like to know when and where exactly did ethiopian special forces were useful to SNM.

SNM alone destroyed Barre army.

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[luis1]

SNM received weapons, sanctuaries and military training from Ethiopia, this help was responsible for Siad Barre demise in 1991.

Check out this article:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1 ... 014.947469

Ethiopian foreign policy and the Ogaden War:
the shift from “containment” to “destabilization,”
1977–1991

Belete Belachew Yihun

The contact with SNM was given special attention. Irrespective of the objectives of
the SNM constitution, which claimed “to promote the unity of all Somalis and protect the
integrity and sovereignty of the Somalia Republic” and “to support the right of all peoples
to self determination and political freedom and independence,” the Ethiopian authorities
joined the SNM leadership in joint initiatives against Siad Barre. By June 1983, the
movement was firmly established in Ethiopia, with freedom of movement for its political
and military leaders as well as closer cooperation with similar opposition parties like
SSDF. Col. Abdullahi Yusuf, the commander of the section of Somalia’s army that
defected to Ethiopia following the abortive coup in Mogadishu in April 1978, was
appointed the military head of the SSDF. So successful was this policy of
destabilization that by the late 1980s, Ethiopian officials seem to have concluded that
no useful purpose could be gained from any peace talks with Siad Barre. Elsewhere, too,
this policy was advanced, with external support being given to opposition movements in
Sudan.As the Derg came under greater pressure in its domestic policies, it turned
increasingly toward an aggressive foreign policy. But support for external groups in
Somalia was always intended only to weaken Barre and not to create a viable political
alternative.

At this time, Ethiopian policy had several notable successes. The cooperation
agreement between the SNM and SSDF in October 1988 (bringing together a joint
armed militia of around 60,000), and the SNM’s decision to either create a strong federal
arrangement between the north and the south or bring about the secession of Somaliland
hugely weakened the Barre regime. The successful military operations the two
movements jointly executed in northern and southern Somalia, respectively, and the
resultant political turmoil in Mogadishu would ultimately contribute to the final fall of the
Somali Government. Ethiopia even managed in this period to woo Gen. Mohamed Farah
Aidid, the future leader of the United Somalia Congress (USC), predominantly of the
Hawiye clan, from his ambassadorial post in New Delhi in late 1988. Though the first
SNM incursions of May 1988 were less successful than expected, by November, the rebel
group had managed to take control of several strategic towns in north Somalia, including
Hargeisa, Borao, and Delbis, and to disrupt transportation and communications across the
entire region. This was followed by successes in south Somalia, where Ethiopian
supported rebels (of the Hawiye, Habar Gidir, and Sea’ad clans) mounted attacks to
destroy government infrastructure. Ethiopia’s logistical support to the SNM was crucial.
Reconnaissance information on the direction and intentions of the Somali army was
supplied to the rebels on a regular basis

The Somali Government became aware of this assistance and lodged protests about
Ethiopia’s infringements of the 1988 agreement. In May 1989, one year after the signing
of the agreement, Somalia launched a major diplomatic offensive, accusing Ethiopia of
supporting the SNM, SSDF, and, after May 1989, the Ogaden Soldiers Movement (later
renamed Somali Patriotic Front – SPF) under Brig. Gen. Omar Jese. By this time, Barre’s
regime was fragmenting and on the point of collapse. The military gains of the SNM in
north Somalia after mid-1989, bolstered by Ethiopian active support to the rebel group,
played a significant role in Barre’s fall.

The civil war that erupted in Mogadishu in late December 1990 and the subsequent
fall of Siad Barre’s regime can thus be seen as a victory for Ethiopian diplomacy

Check out this part of the article:

The Derg may have defeated Somalia, but Ethiopia’s own internal rebellions
had finally defeated the Derg. Seen in this light, the destabilization in Somalia that
Ethiopia fomented under the Derg seems a less successful strategy, as it has proved to be
a significant element in the ongoing challenges that subsequent Ethiopian Governments
have faced on the country’s southeastern frontier. Even after the fall of the Derg, Ethiopia
is still paying a heavy price for its “destabilization” strategy in Somalia

I would like to discuss about the last part of the article, it is very interesting to understand the relations between Somalia and Ethiopia after 1991.

[axmed89]

Lol Assad is fighting against a led foriegn conspiracy against the west, i.e CIA, Gulf countries, Turkey, France & the UK, MSB was fighting his own people. Two completely different situations.

[axmed89]

SNM had no foreign fighters nor were there western backed mercenaries.
SNM who were as somali as msb fought their own fight and sacrificed everything.

Actually, allow me to correct you. SNM had both foreign support and foreign boots on the ground assisting it with logistics, training and fighting. I spoke with a former Colonel from Mengistu's regime that happens to be living in the same city as I live here in Canada and he has admitted to the fact. Hundreds of Ethiopian special forces (wearing the same ragtag militia uniform as the SNM) fought side by side with the SNM.

So, next time you try to utter a lie think before you write and submit. Someone will come across it and correct you.

The SNM never had any foregin forces fight alongside them. They were based in ethiopia (dir dawa) & after 1988, ethiopia & somalia agreed to stop backing one anothers rebels, so SNM were told to leave, it was actually MSB who used foreign mercenaries in rhodesian pilots to bomb his own people & the ssdf & Abdullahi yusuf who brought ethiopian troops in to somali soil in 1981, but lets not let facts get in the way......

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Lol Assad is fighting against a led foriegn conspiracy against the west, i.e CIA, Gulf countries, Turkey, France & the UK, MSB was fighting his own people. Two completely different situations.

The SNM never had any foregin forces fight alongside them. They were based in ethiopia (dir dawa) & after 1988, ethiopia & somalia agreed to stop backing one anothers rebels, so SNM were told to leave, it was actually MSB who used foreign mercenaries in rhodesian pilots to bomb his own people & the ssdf & Abdullahi yusuf who brought ethiopian troops in to somali soil in 1981, but lets not let facts get in the way......

Bro you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to make baseless accusations and rewrite history to make your clan look blameless and Isaaq look evil. Objectivity, facts and honesty are not required in this "discussion".

[axmed89]

Lol Assad is fighting against a led foriegn conspiracy against the west, i.e CIA, Gulf countries, Turkey, France & the UK, MSB was fighting his own people. Two completely different situations.

The SNM never had any foregin forces fight alongside them. They were based in ethiopia (dir dawa) & after 1988, ethiopia & somalia agreed to stop backing one anothers rebels, so SNM were told to leave, it was actually MSB who used foreign mercenaries in rhodesian pilots to bomb his own people & the ssdf & Abdullahi yusuf who brought ethiopian troops in to somali soil in 1981, but lets not let facts get in the way......

Bro you're doing it wrong. You're supposed to make baseless accusations and rewrite history to make your clan look blameless and Isaaq look evil. Objectivity, facts and honesty are not required in this "discussion".

I know.

[luis1]

Abdullahi yusuf who brought ethiopian troops in to somali soil in 1981

The Ethiopian troops and SSDF captured Balambale and Goldogob in 1982 not 1981.

[FAH1223]

Abdullahi yusuf who brought ethiopian troops in to somali soil in 1981

The Ethiopian troops and SSDF captured Balambale and Goldogob in 1982 not 1981.

luis, there's rumors of Cuban military in Syria right now

Any truth?