Somali Gov accuses WPF of undermining country agriculture industry

[JSL3000]

Smoothie you call it gloating and I call it facts, so let's agree to disagree

[smooth]

Smoothie you call it gloating and I call it facts, so let's agree to disagree

You really have the IQ of a chinese badger, what facts? the only facts I see is that the whole of Somalia is suffering with droughts receiving aid, that includes the barren lands you call a nation, congratulations even ilmo jaberti don't stoop this low & have more class, no wonder afweyne sent those planes, you guys really are one hell of a degenerate people, last time I'd dignify you with a response, go back to your latrine looking marfishes

[JSL3000]

Yea ok now go run back to UN for some more hand outs

[TheFuturist]

I agree with the sentiment of the government's press conference, but it makes no sense. Are they not a sovereign government? Why are they complaining about what is taking place in their country, when they are the ones who supposedly govern it? Do they not control who and what enters their country?

As a government you don't ask, complain or plead. Instead, you set rules, give instructions and publish pronouncements.

Waa caqli nooc ma ah kani?

[TheFuturist]

Officially the first government to have the courage to speak out against it

This press release doesn't demonstrate courage or strength. It demonstrates powerlessness and desperation.

[smooth]

I agree with the sentiment of the government's press conference, but it makes no sense. Are they not a sovereign government? Why are they complaining about what is taking place in their country

Lets deal with realism and leave the idealism at the door, the nation has gone through hell a few times, it has no army, terrorism is rife, foreign mercenaries do as they please, problems like these take decades to fix, look at the "century of humiliation of china" and how long that lasted until they picked themselves up, we have only just began to pick ourselves up, if the government had the powers and money to enforce its authority across the country you would have a point, but that's not the case today, this was a important step to speak out and raise awareness.

[Togdeer]

I don't know why some people find funny that people in the horn are starving. This should not be a joke

[gegiroor]

Good start. It has long been overdue.

The response from WFP will be the one they have always given to prior similar calls from the Somali side: "There is no enough food grown in Somalia that can meet Somali people's needs."

I think what the Somali government can do is to demand the funding be spent on investing in Somalia's agriculture, particularly, the stable food items such as rice, beans, maize/sorghum, wheat and corn. We should understand that this will be huge challenge since the countries who fund the peace and stability efforts in Somalia are the same ones who send this food aid. And they send it in order to keep their farmers in operation.

Another point to keep in mind: When we were forced to follow the IMF policies in early 1980s, one of their demand was Somalia should boost the production of crash crops in order to qualify more loans and accept food aid instead of pursuing food self sufficiency. We came out of the Ogaden War and were in a desperate situation that we couldn't challenge the IMF and its Western patrons. A huge inflation has followed, and Somalia was going downhill ever since that policy was instituted. To many outside experts, IMF policies has greatly contributed to the demise of the Somali state.

Michel Chossudovsky has a good read here, entitled Somalia: the Real Causes of Famine
Source: http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2013/ ... 1OTiW.dpuf

Where there is a will, there is a way. Alhamdulillah, after so much upheaval, we're back; however, we need to balance our dependency on Western stakeholders in the current process of restoring peace and stability in Somalia, to our need to have a food self sufficiency. The current Somali government's call is a good start, but we also need to understand the influence of the people behind WFP's destructive policies in Somalia.

[mahoka]

Someone should ban these kind of low IQ trolls, the difference between you and sahal post is that your gloating, he is mainly trying to counter your gloating by pointing out this is nation wide and your response is to gloat about human sufferings again? You really are the lowest form of cretin.

how about stop lying and accept your people are dependent on food aid. If there is no food aid, koonfuria will be extinct. STOP crying about the WFP and say thank you.

[mahoka]

Smoothie you call it gloating and I call it facts, so let's agree to disagree

You really have the IQ of a chinese badger, what facts? the only facts I see is that the whole of Somalia is suffering with droughts receiving aid, that includes the barren lands you call a nation, congratulations even ilmo jaberti don't stoop this low & have more class, no wonder afweyne sent those planes, you guys really are one hell of a degenerate people, last time I'd dignify you with a response, go back to your latrine looking marfishes

talking about afwayne, your people targeted women and children. low doesn't even describe your folk. Keep eating that expired qaat

[Arcturus]

As soon as Shabab made similar claims they felt inbound drones...

Drone Vila Hassan Mahamoud

[gurey25]

Good start. It has long been overdue.

The response from WFP will be the one they have always given to prior similar calls from the Somali side: "There is no enough food grown in Somalia that can meet Somali people's needs."

I think what the Somali government can do is to demand the funding be spent on investing in Somalia's agriculture, particularly, the stable food items such as rice, beans, maize/sorghum, wheat and corn. We should understand that this will be huge challenge since the countries who fund the peace and stability efforts in Somalia are the same ones who send this food aid. And they send it in order to keep their farmers in operation.

Another point to keep in mind: When we were forced to follow the IMF policies in early 1980s, one of their demand was Somalia should boost the production of crash crops in order to qualify more loans and accept food aid instead of pursuing food self sufficiency. We came out of the Ogaden War and were in a desperate situation that we couldn't challenge the IMF and its Western patrons. A huge inflation has followed, and Somalia was going downhill ever since that policy was instituted. To many outside experts, IMF policies has greatly contributed to the demise of the Somali state.

Michel Chossudovsky has a good read here, entitled Somalia: the Real Causes of Famine
Source: http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2013/ ... 1OTiW.dpuf

Where there is a will, there is a way. Alhamdulillah, after so much upheaval, we're back; however, we need to balance our dependency on Western stakeholders in the current process of restoring peace and stability in Somalia, to our need to have a food self sufficiency. The current Somali government's call is a good start, but we also need to understand the influence of the people behind WFP's destructive policies in Somalia.

This restores some hope in the somali nation,
someone out there knows who the real enemy is..
thats the start of the struggle, identify who you are fighting,

in hindesight, if Sidab barre made a different choice and stuck with the Soviets, he would have gained an extra 5 years..
the ethiopians would allow rebel movements operating bases after 1985, when gorbachev cut their funding.
SNM would have started fighting after 1985, and would not have a big impact till the 1991-95, The whole civil war would have been isolated to
the north..
NO USC, SSDF gone by 1984, probably no SPM too..

but then again, Said barres regime would start experiencing increased rebel forces at the same time as IMF structural adjustment.
so a crash of the Somali state by mid 90's...

interesting possibilities.

[Arcturus]

Good start. It has long been overdue.

The response from WFP will be the one they have always given to prior similar calls from the Somali side: "There is no enough food grown in Somalia that can meet Somali people's needs."

I think what the Somali government can do is to demand the funding be spent on investing in Somalia's agriculture, particularly, the stable food items such as rice, beans, maize/sorghum, wheat and corn. We should understand that this will be huge challenge since the countries who fund the peace and stability efforts in Somalia are the same ones who send this food aid. And they send it in order to keep their farmers in operation.

Another point to keep in mind: When we were forced to follow the IMF policies in early 1980s, one of their demand was Somalia should boost the production of crash crops in order to qualify more loans and accept food aid instead of pursuing food self sufficiency. We came out of the Ogaden War and were in a desperate situation that we couldn't challenge the IMF and its Western patrons. A huge inflation has followed, and Somalia was going downhill ever since that policy was instituted. To many outside experts, IMF policies has greatly contributed to the demise of the Somali state.

Michel Chossudovsky has a good read here, entitled Somalia: the Real Causes of Famine
Source: http://www.thomhartmann.com/forum/2013/ ... 1OTiW.dpuf

Where there is a will, there is a way. Alhamdulillah, after so much upheaval, we're back; however, we need to balance our dependency on Western stakeholders in the current process of restoring peace and stability in Somalia, to our need to have a food self sufficiency. The current Somali government's call is a good start, but we also need to understand the influence of the people behind WFP's destructive policies in Somalia.

This restores some hope in the somali nation,
someone out there knows who the real enemy is..
thats the start of the struggle, identify who you are fighting,

in hindesight, if Sidab barre made a different choice and stuck with the Soviets, he would have gained an extra 5 years..
the ethiopians would allow rebel movements operating bases after 1985, when gorbachev cut their funding.
SNM would have started fighting after 1985, and would not have a big impact till the 1991-95, The whole civil war would have been isolated to
the north..
NO USC, SSDF gone by 1984, probably no SPM too..

but then again, Said barres regime would start experiencing increased rebel forces at the same time as IMF structural adjustment.
so a crash of the Somali state by mid 90's...

interesting possibilities.

... And by the time SNM retake their country, the level of death would have warranted a retaliation beyond their borders until mutual annihilation.

[Strategic]

Smooth
Remember that the population of SL is less than that of the city of Mogadishu,with very low Economic productivity. With little arable land for agriculture, almost non-existence economic activities, the north survives on the umbilical cord extended from diaspora on the day-to-day basis.

[X.Playa]