Iran Wins , US folds

[gurey25]

from
http://translations.state.gov/st/englis ... z3xWwbYgbR

“But if everybody thinks, “Oh, no, we’re just tough; the United States of America, we have our secondary sanctions; we can force people to do what we want.” I actually heard that argument on television this morning. I’ve heard it from a number of the organisations that are working that are opposed to this agreement. They’re spreading the word, “America is strong enough, our banks are tough enough; we can just bring the hammer down and force our friends to do what we want them to.”
Well, look – a lot of business people in this room. Are you kidding me? The United States is going to start sanctioning our allies and their banks and their businesses because we walked away from a deal and we’re going to force them to do what we want them to do even though they agreed to the deal we came to? Are you kidding?
That is a recipe quickly, my friends, for them to walk away from Ukraine, where they are already very dicey and ready to say, “Well, we’ve done our bit.” They were ready in many cases to say, “Well, we’re the ones paying the price for your sanctions.” We – it was Obama who went out and actually put together a sanctions regime that had an impact. By – I went to China. We persuaded China, “Don’t buy more oil.” We persuaded India and other countries to step back.
Can you imagine trying to sanction them after persuading them to put in phased sanctions to bring Iran to the negotiating table, and when they have not only come to the table but they made a deal, we turn around and nix the deal and then tell them you’re going to have to obey our rules on the sanctions anyway?
That is a recipe very quickly, my friends, businesspeople here, for the American dollar to cease to be the reserve currency of the world – which is already bubbling out there…..”


guess who said that,

John Kerry US Secratey of State..


He just admitted that the deal was done because Russia and China were moving towards ignoring the sanctions, and the Europeans who were forced to comply with the sanctions and grumbling the whole time, were about to grow some balls, and say no to the US for the first time, and join Russia and China.
They would have also dropped sanction on russia and dropped Ukraine...
The US would have been humiliated, and they took the exit IRan gave them, hence the deal..

and the last statement, about the US dollar reserve status, things already bubbling out there..

yeah right!!!...

The Iran sanctions started the whole trainwreck,
Turkey, and Indian, and South Korea and Japan all started cheating and breaking the sanctions, while bypassing the US dollar.
When they got caught they cried and said sorry, we wont do it again.
China and Russia joined in, soon things started getting out of control, those involved in Iran sanctions breaking, started trading with each other
using each others currencies and gold.
The biggest culprits was Turkey, the the Russians came under sanctions and started trading with India, China, Turkey, and IRan without US dollars. China started trading with Japan and South Korea, and a host of other countries ..

all this was started by sanctions cheating in Iran, its now getting out of control.

[YummyMummy]

Europeans saying no to the us?
That'll be the day

[X.Playa]

that first paragraph was a confusing rants. I finally got a bit of it when you said it was Kerry's, but its really tough to read , he is talking like a little teenager girl describing her quarrel with her pretty jealous friend.

[Thuganomics]

Russia and China were moving towards ignoring the sanctions, and the Europeans who were forced to comply with the sanctions and grumbling the whole time, were about to grow some balls, and say no to the US for the first time, and join Russia and China.
They would have also dropped sanction on russia and dropped Ukraine...
The US would have been humiliated, and they took the exit IRan gave them, hence the deal..

Dumb Americans crying like a little bitch

[FAH1223]

Yup and even my economic professor was saying this during one of my classes

[SahanGalbeed]

Fairy tales

[GAMES]

Yea but oil is now trading at $28 a barrel. So did Iran really win?

Iran is also in contention with its Arab neighbors and with Turkey.

That too is going to complicate things for them a lil further.

[Shirib]

Not sure about all these neocons and hawks in the US government but I think the US and Iran resuming political and economic relations will actually be a good thing for both countries.

[GAMES]

Iran's goal is to dominate the region and have its proxies running most of the Mideast.

[gurey25]

Where were your effin "Sunnis" when Sunni Paki troops were raping(literally) & rampaging through Bangladesh until Hindu India came to the rescue?

An avowedly secular administration in a secular state, Pakistan, goes on a killing and raping spree in bangladesh out of racism, and bigotry.
and you used it as a sunni example..

your agenda to secularize the muslim world will not work,
secular and muslim is an oxymoron.

[gurey25]

Iran's goal is to dominate the region and have its proxies running most of the Mideast.

Who told you?
ISreal and Saudi Arabia its regional rivals?

Iran has been the most peacefull state in the middle east, the last war it fought was defensive, it was invaded by iraq, when it had its pants down,
not only did they survive but nearly won.
Iran used its influence to bring peace to afghanistan, there would be no karzai government, if it wasnt facilitated by IRan,
No government in IRaq too, Iran helped bring peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan.

Iran helped hezoballah inflict a defeat 2 defeats on ISreal, the war of attrition which they won when the isrealis retreated in 2000,
and the 2006 isreali fiasco, when they couldnt capture a village of bint jebeil, they had 20,000 troops in the area along with the elite golani brigade, 24 hour air raids, and air supremacy, round the clock pounding by artillary and they still could not do it..

Iran supports the palestinians while fellow arabs , Egypt , Jordan fight them, and blockade them as hard as the ISrealis,
you have Saudis and the Gulf countries dealing with the ISrealis, some of them openly like Morroco, Mauritania,qatar and oman, while UAE and Saudi do it behind closed doors.

Irans goal was to survive, and grow, and not become a Libya, an Iraq, or a Syria
it survived through diplomacy and hard work and keeping kool.
They played the high stakes of poker better than the Americans/Isrealis..

Kerry in the interview admits that iran closed its nuclear weapons program in 2002 on its own,
the CIA released a report years ago saying the same thing,that IRans nuclear program has been shut down since 2002.

This did not stop the back breaking sanctions, why because they were designed to break iran and turn it into a failed country,
only a western controlled Iran would be allowed.

Irans only crime was that it was independent, and small enough to be destroyed and an attempt made at " freedom" brought to it.
Other Independent countries like India, China and Russia are too big to mess with directly, so only indirect destabilization tools can work.
North Korea is freaked out and crazy and has 2 million South Korean in Seoul that are within artillary range hostage.
The mentality of North Korea is , if you come for me, i cannot stop you, but i will take as many people with me as possible.
If the US starts a war with North Korea, it will win in a few weeks maximum, destroy all large organized forces, and will take another couple of months at least to pacify the country , But 100,000 civilians will die within the first hour at least, 5 times that number maybe more before the end.

Brazil, South Africa, Venezuela, Argentina, Ecuador etc are partially under western control.
The west still controls the banks, the media and the education system, and their economies.
Any rebellion will not be permanent and the west has the chance to fight back and bring back the old guard.
Look at the new Argentinian presient, look at Brazil, Dilma has been made to behave, and the opposition and her own party are heavily influenced by the west if not under control.
Same with South Africa..

but in Iran the west has zero influence and no say at all,
it is frustrating to be defied by someone so small, with no nuclear weapons..

[James Dahl]

Nations don't fight guys, follow the money.

[gurey25]

Nations don't fight guys, follow the money.

It all comes down to money, thats right..
are you following the money?
from our previous posts you seem like most people in the west naive and totally trusting your media.
All these wars are about preserving the current world economic system.
You cant have countries like IRan continuing to be independent, and get away with it especially if they have oil.
This is because they can bring the whole structure down, through independent economic development and trade.

During the cold war you had 2 different economic structures, and they fought for influence in each others zones but
traded within their own zones mostly.
In that environment developing countries could do what they want, many countries tried industrializing through import substitution ,
producing things they need so that they dont import them.
They all failed especially african and south american countries, because they did not have oil.
In 1971 the dollar went off the semi gold bretton woods system, where the worlds currencies where stable to fixing the dollar to oil.
After 1971 the oil price quadrupled and all those countries ran out of foriegn exchange to buy oil, they then got into debt to finance oil imports.
Those who survived and kept on where those that had oil, like Egypt, Algeria, Tunisia, Syria, Iraq, Iran, or those with large internal markets Pakistan, India, Brazil .
The Tiger economies and Mauritius had a export based industrialization so they had all accumalted large reserves to continue buying oil.

Soon all those countries saw their entire economies came to a standstill and they all went to the IMF/World Bank for help.
you know the story from here on, its how the world economy works today.

Today you need to have free movement of money, into and out of your economy, so that investors can invest.
To attract and keep foriegn investment you need to give incentives, low taxes, low regulations etc,
you need to cut subsidies, and deficits or you will be penalized and your currecies will get fucked up.
Even if you do all that and behave you have to pray that currency speculators do not attack you like they did, Mexico , Argentina, Brazil
and the Asian countries in 97.

Iran because of sanctions, did not get seduced into opening its economy, they maintained control till today, and they have a fullset industrialization, i.e they make the tools that make the tools.
They also have a national bank that is a national bank not a front for international bankers.

What does IRaq, Syria,Lybia have in common?
They have a central bank,
but out of the non-nuclear powers, only Iran and maybe venezuala can escape the Dollar trap and continue tgrow independently
This is why they must be brought down and freedom and democracy brought to them.

[James Dahl]

the federal reserve, the world bank and the IMF are funded by central banks too, guess who owns those. Nations don't own central banks, banks own central banks.

[Hararboy]

Yea but oil is now trading at $28 a barrel. So did Iran really win?

Iran is also in contention with its Arab neighbors and with Turkey.

That too is going to complicate things for them a lil further.

Iran has a very diversified economy which is why it has survived years of sanctions. Whilst most of the middle east is still dependant on Oil. Persians are a smart people, they know what theyre doing. The US and Saudi Arabia only put sanctions on Iran because they know they will tip the balance of power in the middle east, towards their favour.