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It's really a shame we go through long periods of drought when all that seasonal river is wasted in the ocean.
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It's more than dams.
We need introduction of new livestock rearing methods
Working with planting trees and dams.
Even crops all in one interactive system easy to use for Somalis.
I'll add more later
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I never understood why somalis don't build camel and cattle ranches. Why take camel hundreds of miles in search of pasture when it's easier to bring the food to the camel. And utulise the rest of the land for agro-forestry, rainwater catchment, dams and resevoirs.
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LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:I never understood why somalis don't build camel and cattle ranches. Why take camel hundreds of miles in search of pasture when it's easier to bring the food to the camel. And utulise the rest of the land for agro-forestry, rainwater catchment, dams and resevoirs.
thats actually a terrible idea, really really bad.
It will destroy the pastures faster than we are already destroying it today.
This worked in the americas and australia and newzealand because you had excellent well watered pastures, that can withstand decades of degradation. The pastures in the US, mexico, and Australia are collapsing , they have over taxed the environment too much already,
Somalias pastures are more vulnerable because they are dryer.

We should examine the pros and cons of every technology and management style closely before copying it,
because what works for one does not work for all.
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I am now back in my second home, which to my pleasant surprise is the home to pioneers of organic agriculture and managment of drylands.

The first was Percival Alfred Yeomans who developed keyline design.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyline_design
Second i would say is Bill Mollison the father of permaculture, although Masanobu Fukuoka can be considered too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Mollison

another Aussie is Geoff Lawton of " Greening the Desert" fame, who is surprise a muslim revert and married to a palestinian.
His Zaytuna farm and institute is amazing.

Not an Aussie but Alan Savory is the next person relevant to somalia, because his holistic management is revolutionary and is the answer to many of our problems
https://www.ted.com/talks/allan_savory_ ... ate_change

there is another australian Colin seis has taken it to the next level,
with pasture cropping.
Imagine feeding your livestock from perennial grasses and then sowing with a seed drill into the pasture , crops like wheat, soughum etc
you get 2 for one, and the wastes from the crops feed the wild grasses, and the residue and the cut grasses provide shade, windcover, massive water retention on your lands, meaning you can survive droughts and continue to produce.
The animal litter is also fertilizer and the mob grazing encourages growth of the native wild grasses.
win win situation.

http://www.thesolutionsjournal.com/node/1261

all the above can be combined, along with agroforestry
they all compliment each other and work well together.

The only difficulty is getting the balance right, and adjusting to each different environment.
thats why modern trained agronomists have trouble with permaculture,
you need a fiddle and see what happens attitude, and letting nature take its course,

I think fresh minds could do better.
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Everything sounds great but without the most important element, action, it's purely words on a screen.
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Siciid85 wrote:Everything sounds great but without the most important element, action, it's purely words on a screen.
Sad but true...
i hope to attempt some of them soon inshallah.

The best thing going for us the somali pride and need to copy one another.

mnkey see , monkey do.
IF you go about preaching , and setup workshops, they will take your money and your shah, and food,
and leave ignoring everything you said.

You need to approach somalis another way,
do your own thing and then try to prevent them from seeing your work.
setup your own farm, your own water project, etc.
do not preach or try to educate.
do the opposite try to hide things from them, tell them its not for them,
they are not smart enough to understand..

You will see people sneaking into your farm, and spying on you.
and people will start copying you all over the place.

somalis are very smart, and experts at gathering information,
and they have an attitude and a superiority complex..
we should use it.
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Watch Dacar Buduq River here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTM9BShxQpk

Yup, its a very dangerous crossing. I was wondering what the f*ck all these people are watching why don't they do somthing.


Anyways, my point here is the amount of water that goes to waste.
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