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Axmed Gurey and Imam Axmed Ibraahim Al Ghaazi, revisited.

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During my recent exile from the forum banished as usual by the Ogaden sneaky weasel and his feigned religious guardianship , immersed in my usual research I came accidently upon an Italian manuscript of " Futuux Al Xabasha" translated at the turn of the 20th century. The remarkable thing about this old translation ( before the French and the recent English one ) is that the Imaam is never called by " Guray" , throughout the Italian translations the Imaam is referred too simply as the Iman Ahmed , or Iman Ahmed Ibn Ibraahim , or Iman ahmed Ibn Ibraahim Al-Ghaazi , or simply as the Iman. The man nicknamed Guray is mentioned as Axmed Xuseen Gurey leader of the Habar Magaadle or as Ahmed Gurey Ibn Xuseen, or sometimes Axmed Ibn Xuseen.

The Italian translation (La conquista mussulmana dell'Etiopia nel secolo XVI. Traduzione d'un manoscritto arabo con prefazione e note di Cesare Nerazzini, e una carta geografica del 1636 by Nerazzini, Cesare, ). This particular book is only available in http://www.hathitrust.org using a USA proxy ( only American citizens have an access to this digital library) access it via a usa proxy.
Translation Page 15.

Formation of a new army with Somali tribes and departure for Ethiopia. Battle of Demircore. - Return Muslim army in theirlands.

After a short time after his arrival in Harrar the Iman began to prepare for a new expedition, and sent a lot loot reported in Somali territory, writing them promptly they come to him. Somalis that Iman required. They were of the tribe of labarre and Gheri, and those of the tribe of Mattan and the tribe of Merrean. The Negus of Abyssinia had sent many shopkeepers with cargo of ivory, gold and sell it to civet in a Muslim country, and these dealers had sold everything and had come up to Aden and up to Mokalla or Makalla 'and now wanted to return to their country. But Iman had knowledge of what had them killed all, and he took them all they had. The tribes Somali Gica requests were on the street, and were very well armed and content for received gifts. The Abermagadli came the first of all, with their leader Akmed Gurei.

The Iman ordered accampassero in the country of Seem, and other tribes. He wanted them to stop in Harrar. The tribe of Merrean with his Chief Erabo greatly delayed his coming, and then 1 'Iman sent a courier to urge it. The head Erabo did start his tribe composed of 700 people on foot and 60 horse, but remained egh in their own territory. . "All this mass of people began to march towards Abyssinia, creating a huge mess in the street. each tribe . He had its own flag. Also he left the 'Iman and brought with him the'He also writes Mocòla, very important market in the Arab region of Hadramut or Hadramat.


So with further research I came upon the French version (Histoire de la conquète de l'Abyssinie, XVIe siècle

by 'Arabfaqīh, Aḥmad ibn 'abd al-Qādir, fl. 1543; Basset, René, 1855-1924 Published 1897 )

https://archive.org/details/histoiredelacon00bassgoog
and the nickname Gurey is also never applied to the Imam, it was again applied to the leader of the Habar Magaadle.


The below is a rough translation of the French by google translate :
12 HISTORY OF THE CONQUEST OF ABYSSINIE
Two messengers came to announce the arrival of Imam
Somali tribes and said, No one heard read your letter,
without eagerly obey God Most High; were answered
your call; we made many preparations ° and equipment
coats of mail to several rows; the tribes follow
each other, the troops succeed the troops, the people
the peoples.

The first tribe that happened was that the Habr Magadi, with
its leader Ahmed bin Husain Gouraï es Somâli. encamped
in a place called Qacha, in the upper part of the
Harar3 Valley; they showed their weapons and equipment
ment and mounted their horses; there were horsemen, and
What riders! infantry, and what foot! Their arrival caused great joy to the Imam; they made their way with
him; he welcomed them, gave them clothes and
food, showed their respects and donned their chief Ahmad
Gouraï a beautiful dress. After them went Tribe
Girri who were headed Mattan b. 'Uthman b. Khaled
Somali-es; they did see their weapons and equipment,
mounted on horseback, carrying their bows slung and
presented to Ahmed: it sent them forth to

Now as it was stated and argued before many years around this forum ( with the ardent Kombo-legist like Warsame and others ) the preponderance of evidence suggest that what the Somalis call Axmed Guray and what the Amxaara call Axmed Grang are one and the same but not the Imaam persay . Now the question is how this historic confusion began , was the Imam a left handed to begin with? was it due to them sharing a same common name? or better yet did the original Arabic manuscript ever refered to the Imaam as either been left handed at all or applied the nick " Guery" to the Imam. As far as I know in the Arabic manuscript which I read through its English translations ( 2005) refered to Axmed Gurey Ibun Xuseen as Axmed Girri ( as in giraffe) also the author translated the tribe Geri Koombe as Girri Koombe , that's also raises another question , was it Geri or Gurey?

Now its been a long time since I read classical Arabic , the old Arabic version is in online, what is needed is for those of you who have a crisp grasp of classical Arabic to quote the Arabic version where Axmed Gurey is mentioned and the Imaam and also the tribe Girri , the last to see how the Arabic version spelled Geri the tribe and Gurey the habit.

This a link to the original Arabic manuscript:

https://archive.org/details/futalabashahorc00argoog

Also its obvious from all three translations the confusion of the Mareexaan clan , with Yippirs , the Mareexaan with the Habar Magaadle and the Yippirs with the Habar Magaadle and even the leader Ahmed Gurey in few occasions is assigned the wrong clan. This confusion is from the original Arabic . Hence the confusion of Nuur Ibn Mujaahid with Nuur Ibnu Xuseen . The later been the brother of Axmed Gurey and the former supposedly a nephew of the Imam who supposedly wed his widow.

In the Italian translation the Majeerteen clan is mentioned:
Translations Page 24.

The Iman Akmed, mounted on horseback, ran before the file

of her and she prayed for God to give them patience and luck, and

he sent forth between the rows because the songsters incite to Combat

chin. He called his nephew with many "other leaders and delivered unto them

all the tribe of Harla with other tribes, placing them on the starboard side;

He puts the Somalis to the left under the command of Akmed Curi; he

the same was held at the center, having under him the whole people, and

choice courageous and 500 soldiers to guard his person. The sun was

Digia very high: the number of horses of the Muslims was 5 ^ 0

and soldiers on foot 1 2000; to the left were the Migiurtini and the

Somali Harla and Maid in number of 300, very good for

wield the sword; 400 were armed with arrows and had ordine to

pull from a standstill; the tribe of Ghiri had a lot of cavalry.

L 'Iman ordered to stand up quietly and then began to pray:

the same Kadi stepped off the mule and took sword and shield. a

Aììisa, famous for its strength, when he had seen the Christians,

He could not wait any longer, and two men had to hold it with

force but also the whole of Harla people were furious as Amsa.

Christians were divided into seven distributions, and their leader was king

Unassegged: he was with 400 soldiers and 400 left to right:

but for combat he ordered its 800 soldiers went

gU with others, and distributed Egyptian swords and iron armor. There

seventh part of the Christians was equal to any number of do muscles

lims: as an ox red leather, which has on one side a one white spot.
The Majeerteen were not mentioned in the original text, the Italian translator arbitraly added " majeerteen" as the people of Maydh. This might disappoint out Kumbo nemesis but this is interesting fact. Also the tribe of Harti is questionable and one should check the original version if such tribe was mentioned also.


I would have posted all the relevant pages of both translations , but stupid somalinet forum doesn't allow more then 5 urls. I will post all relevant pages on the next post.
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The French Translation.

Histoire de la conquète de l'Abyssinie, XVIe siècle, par Chihab ed -Din Aḥmed ben 'Abd el-Qâder, surnommé Arab-faqih. Traduction française et notes par René Basset.

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The Italian Translation:


La conquista mussulmana dell'Etiopia nel secolo XVI. Traduzione d'un manoscritto arabo con prefazione e note di Cesare Nerazzini, e una carta geografica del 1636.
Translations Page 24.

The Iman Akmed, mounted on horseback, ran before the file

of her and she prayed for God to give them patience and luck, and

he sent forth between the rows because the songsters incite to Combat

chin. He called his nephew with many "other leaders and delivered unto them

all the tribe of Harla with other tribes, placing them on the starboard side;

He puts the Somalis to the left under the command of Akmed Curi; he

the same was held at the center, having under him the whole people, and

choice courageous and 500 soldiers to guard his person. The sun was

Digia very high: the number of horses of the Muslims was 5 ^ 0

and soldiers on foot 1 2000; to the left were the Migiurtini and the

Somali Harla and Maid in number of 300, very good for

wield the sword; 400 were armed with arrows and had ordine to

pull from a standstill; the tribe of Ghiri had a lot of cavalry.

L 'Iman ordered to stand up quietly and then began to pray:

the same Kadi stepped off the mule and took sword and shield. a

Aììisa, famous for its strength, when he had seen the Christians,

He could not wait any longer, and two men had to hold it with

force but also the whole of Harla people were furious as Amsa.

Christians were divided into seven distributions, and their leader was king

Unassegged: he was with 400 soldiers and 400 left to right:

but for combat he ordered its 800 soldiers went

gU with others, and distributed Egyptian swords and iron armor. There

seventh part of the Christians was equal to any number of do muscles

lims: as an ox red leather, which has on one side a one white spot.
Translation Page 38.



The Iman immediately picked up the fifth part of the booty, that he

He was up, and remained in Harrar two months. But after the shipment of

Mercy, Iman Akmed had, in his heart the idea stops of combatants

tere Abyssinia and swore to himself no longer wanted to return to in-

behind, even at the cost of having to die in that region. As soon as

conceived his plan, the Imam came to the country said Zerba and sent

people Zeyla with the 'task of buying weapons and even guns.

The weapons were bought, including 7 guns, and were well

Zeyla chosen by 60 knights, who had headed bin Said el Sabab

Morii. As soon as they came, they were incorporated with people MENT

l 'Iman. He first met by all Somali Abarmagadil with their

Chief Gherad Dauid, in number of 500 foot and 50 horse; then

the tribe of Merrean under the head Akmed Guri with 700 foot and 80

on horseback; Then the tribe of Gurgurà with 1,000 foot and 30 horse

under the head Gherad Abdi; the tribe of Ghiri under the head Gherad

Mattan with 1,000 foot and 80 horse; the tribe of Zerba in the Air

under the head sultan Mohamed with 20 horsepower and 300 foot;

the other tribes joined together to form another 500 on horseback
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Excellent find!!!

So after all the great el conquistador was Isaac man?

How did they mix the Iman with el conquistador--Ahmed Gurey aka Ahmad Gran of the Hbr Magadle (Isaac)?

The Kacaan lies are busted. Remember Siad Barre was fluent in Italian and no doubt he came across this book/translation thus altered to serve his tribal vision.
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Lets first find out where the Imaam having been left handed was even mentioned??? Also what name the Amxaara referred to the Imaam , was it the often mentioned Grang?. The Fact Axmed Xuseen "Gurey" been the Isaaq chief is undisputable , although the earliest Westerners were confused by the rarely used tribal segmentations of Habar Magaadle but its self evident.
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This really does feel like the last day of Ramadan.

Shaydamiinti o dhan ba la soo daayay :dead:
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Inaayah wrote:This really does feel like the last day of Ramadan.

Shaydamiinti o dhan ba la soo daayay :dead:
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Iam reading the Arabic version he calls the Habar Maqdi tribe's leader Axmed Jeri. Its difficult to spell Gurey in Arabic. It also sounds like Geri !! I will compare that Arabic term for Gurey " Jeri" with the tribe Geri, if its similar then.. it might be giraffe and not Gurey the left handed. Its a maze of confusion , but what ever its , the Imaam was never called once throughout the tradition , Gurey, Girri or Jeri or anything but..the Imaam and his name.

Gurey in Somali, "Gura" in Afar and Gragn in Amharic (ግራኝ Graññ), all the spelling of these langauge should also be considered , not only Somali, the Arab Axmed Al jeezaani might have used the Amhara, Afar spelling for Gurey!!
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can share a link to the arabic version,i only have the first book of footox al habasha i cant find the second part.
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ramzy2277 wrote:can share a link to the arabic version,i only have the first book of footox al habasha i cant find the second part.
I only know of one version published, There are few other elusive manuscript as far as Hydarbat India and the Harari once, so far we only have the Western one.


https://archive.org/details/futalabashahorc00argoog
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X.Playa wrote:Lets first find out where the Imaam having been left handed was even mentioned??? Also what name the Amxaara referred to the Imaam , was it the often mentioned Grang?. The Fact Axmed Xuseen "Gurey" been the Isaaq chief is undisputable , although the earliest Westerners were confused by the rarely used tribal segmentations of Habar Magaadle but its self evident.
The Habesha referred to him as Ahmad Gran as did Agews. He went as far north as Agew country, where they believe he was a superhuman.

There is this huge monolithic stone almost like a pillar that's buried into the ground but no mountain nearby in Seqota. They believe Ahmed did it.

It's called Gran rock or something and is even included in tourism brochures.

Imam is non-existent in Amharic even today. Imam was not even popular with Somalis. It's mostly popular with Shia.
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But we have no tradition of the Imam being left handed at all? could this "left handed" business been adopted from the Somalis?
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Gran means left handed and yes they adopted from Somalis because that's what they called their leader. The Abyssinian leader was then Lebna Dengel. Naturally we Somalis would refer to him as Lebna too because that's how they introduced their leader to us.

Many Habesha and Oromo joined Ahmad and after the war the Habesha and Oromo stayed back in their lands while Somalis returned back.

Many Gran soldiers stayed with Agews, Tigrais, Ahmara and Oromo.

Most of them stayed in what's now Wollo region and Shire in Tigray.

Why won't they chased or killed?

Well by the time the war was over Abbysinia was devastated and very weak. It was failed state. It could not afford continuation of war and before it could do anything the great Oromo migration began.

The Oromo warriors destroyed whatever was left of Abyssinia and they crowned themselves. Most of them were Muslims and Afaan Oromo became official language.

No doubt the soldiers who stayed played role making Gran a local thing and therefore they not only translated but probably influenced Abyssinian records.

There was much deeper integration than people know.
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So what doesn't prove hes a khat chewing eydoor kkkkkkkk

Leave the researching to real researchers keep chewing khat
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the tribe of Merrean under the head Akmed Guri with 700 foot and 80

Siad Barre didnt lie :eat:
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