How can we improve without money?

[gurey25]

Gashaanle is on the right track.
most people dont know what money is.
the nature of money, and they confuse money with wealth.

Wealth exist seperate from money, money is a means of exchange but has become a store of wealth.
This is where the inequalities come from and underdevelopment.

The current world system was designed by people, deliberately to do specific things, that is to accumulate wealth so that those with money will always be able to feed on with wealth by siphoning/sucking/feeding off them like leaches or mosquitos.
The rich will always be getting richer and the poor poorer.

You cannot challenge this system directly because it has grown too powerful and its been fighting and winning for over 500 years.

The first steps of resistance is to educate ourselves and learn what money is, its history, how it used to be and how it has become what it is now.

You will not get this from an economic textbook, because that is concerned with how the current system functions and how to work within it.
Economic history is a small subject in the worlds universities and the best you can get is a small, class/subject as part of your major,
but its not compulsory and people will graduate with masters in economics and even a PHD with only a tiny exposure to economic history.

The only way to resist is by starting at the bottom, its a matter of scale.
You need to organize within communities, set up cooperatives between small bussinesses so they can access economies of scale and share resources. Community credit unions, and complimentary currencies as well as trading business to business and between consumers.

There is so much wastage and monopolization of wealth and resources by useless rentiers, and middle men.

Farmers could get access to machinery, fertilizers and pesticides by cooperating between themselves.
They can get access to funding the same way, and share marketing and transport infrastructure.

you can already triple their income this way and get them a decent living without government and without foreign aid or loans.

We have so much wealth, so many resources and millions of unemployed sitting idle and starving when there is so much work to do.
We have millions of housing units that need building, roads, sewage treatment, water, schools, hospitals all waiting for some
"Money" to start working.

Why cant we create our own money.

Obviously we cannot do it publicly because we are not soveriegn and if we were we will face the hostility of the central banks of the world and get crushed...

the only way is start out small,

no one will notice, and we can scale up pretty quick before it can be stopped.

There are allot of real world examples out there i could list them in detail if you request it.

[Gaashaanle1000]

Gashaanle is on the right track.
most people dont know what money is.
the nature of money, and they confuse money with wealth.

Wealth exist seperate from money, money is a means of exchange but has become a store of wealth.
This is where the inequalities come from and underdevelopment.

The current world system was designed by people, deliberately to do specific things, that is to accumulate wealth so that those with money will always be able to feed on with wealth by siphoning/sucking/feeding off them like leaches or mosquitos.
The rich will always be getting richer and the poor poorer.

You cannot challenge this system directly because it has grown too powerful and its been fighting and winning for over 500 years.

The first steps of resistance is to educate ourselves and learn what money is, its history, how it used to be and how it has become what it is now.

You will not get this from an economic textbook, because that is concerned with how the current system functions and how to work within it.
Economic history is a small subject in the worlds universities and the best you can get is a small, class/subject as part of your major,
but its not compulsory and people will graduate with masters in economics and even a PHD with only a tiny exposure to economic history.

The only way to resist is by starting at the bottom, its a matter of scale.
You need to organize within communities, set up cooperatives between small bussinesses so they can access economies of scale and share resources. Community credit unions, and complimentary currencies as well as trading business to business and between consumers.

There is so much wastage and monopolization of wealth and resources by useless rentiers, and middle men.

Farmers could get access to machinery, fertilizers and pesticides by cooperating between themselves.
They can get access to funding the same way, and share marketing and transport infrastructure.

you can already triple their income this way and get them a decent living without government and without foreign aid or loans.

We have so much wealth, so many resources and millions of unemployed sitting idle and starving when there is so much work to do.
We have millions of housing units that need building, roads, sewage treatment, water, schools, hospitals all waiting for some
"Money" to start working.

Why cant we create our own money.

Obviously we cannot do it publicly because we are not soveriegn and if we were we will face the hostility of the central banks of the world and get crushed...

the only way is start out small,

no one will notice, and we can scale up pretty quick before it can be stopped.

There are allot of real world examples out there i could list them in detail if you request it.

Please share your ideas Gurey25..

My idea is basically an economy based on resources, whereby there is no need for money AT ALL!

This means that produce of agriculture would be made freely available to people. I understand where Adali is coming from, in that many people would try to horde and maybe even sell on the produce given to them. But if there is enough food available freely for everyone, which can actually be accomplished, and already is, albeit missing the correct distribution. No one would go to those who are hording or trying to make a profit, as everyone has access to food.

Think about it, if there were two men in charge of a watering well, and they both had 50% stake of the well, alternating everyday with who runs the well. Now say if one of these men gave away the water for free to the entire village on his day, and the other charged people on his day. What do you think would happen? What would happen is that people would only go to the well on the day when the water is distributed freely and save up for the next day whereby the other man would charge for it. Hence the man who charges would eventually have no costumers and would be forced to either also give his water away for free or sell up his share to the other man. This is actually a true story and happened during the time of the Prophet PBUH. The man who gave away the water for free was Uthman ibn Affan.

[Gaashaanle1000]

1. You can't just create a central bank without the participation of the IMF and the World Bank and other important financial institutions. Also as of right now, Somalia has no natural resources we can sell or bargain with.

2. Exactly, the world is interconnected nowadays and if Somalia is to rise up again, we would need access to the global financial markets. Even though a lot of people call it Fiat currency.

3. Thats actually a good idea. $10 a month is not a lot for even those living back home in Somalia.

The government back home is really not smart sxb. They could raise billions of dollars in revenue if they implemented some kinda honest, flat tax.

Here in the U.S, u pay taxes even when you buy $1 soda. Its small and u rarely notice it (few cents), but its there and raises the state government billions in revenue.

Somalis are behind the 8 ball and not too bright.

1. Have you ever asked yourself why that is?

2. Somalia has enough resources in terms of food and agriculture potential to be self sufficient without the need for money. All it needs is hard work from the people. Sure it might need currency at first, as this is what gets everything moving in this current world. This is why there is the saying money make the world turn. But once you have achieved your objectives, you really have no need to stick to this system.

The government back home are uneducated and greedy. Tax money implemented by them would be abused, and tax is an affront to the laws of God.

[GAMES]

Interesting topic. Money truly is a powerful tool, but that's all it is; a tool. It's merely a means to an end but unfortunately people view it as an end in and of itself. For example if recurrent droughts and lack of rain water could be addressed our farmers and pastoralists could enjoy a standard of living that makes middle class urban life seem poverty-tier in comparison. And all of it would require little no money to get started since the farms and animal herds are usually inherited. But the globalist-corporate-consumerist zeitgeist brainwashes us to believe that traditional modes of living are unsustainable and backward, and that being a cog in the corporate rat race is the way forward, when it reality you're nothing but a dameer la raranayo. Somalia needs to invest in its farms, livestock, frankincense/myrrh and fish and bring these industries into the 21st century. Wallahi we would reap billions of dollars a year.

Hey brother, you are right, we are nothing more than free range slaves walking about thinking about where the next printed fiat bullshit currency will come from.

Why do we need to reap billions if all of our people can be made to live a comfortable life without the need of us making money? If we have the knowledge and dedication, every Somali and even every human, could live a decent life without the need for money. Our land is abundant, and we could grow and produce everything we need.

Think about this. When your body receives nutrients, the brain will want a lions share, as it is involved in running all the executive functions of your body. But then the lungs, the liver, the heart and every other organ and cell in your body will need some of the nutrients, so the body distributes it accordingly. This is the ingenious creation of Allah. Your toe is injured, the brain does not say lets hold a meeting and bring together a committe to see if we can afford to heal the toe and then take a vote. No the body is automatically healed, unless you are suffering from a systematic failure followed by death which is only natural and awaits us all.

I would propose, why not help each other without the need of trying to make a greedy fake buck from others? We could make all of us rich and content and free to explore and venture things that are beyond trivially trying to survive, running after something dangled in front of us by Shaydaan.

If you started a farm, and had enough to feed your family, and your entire village, why then do you have to charge others instead of providing it for free? People would come back to me and say, well you would be taken for a fool and maybe even robbed. Well that could and would still happen even when you are trying to charge people for the food. My point is that there are other ways of living, rather than just the money focused life we have been made to believe in.

If you stop being greedy it doesn't change the rest of humanity.

Play out the farm scenario. You give free produce at a stall, people will immediately flock and try to take as much as possible and when you run out they will sell it in the market.

LooL

[Gaashaanle1000]

LooL

Like I posted above

This means that produce of agriculture would be made freely available to people. I understand where Adali is coming from, in that many people would try to horde and maybe even sell on the produce given to them. But if there is enough food available freely for everyone, which can actually be accomplished, and already is, albeit missing the correct distribution. No one would go to those who are hording or trying to make a profit, as everyone has access to food.

Think about it, if there were two men in charge of a watering well, and they both had 50% stake of the well, alternating everyday with who runs the well. Now say if one of these men gave away the water for free to the entire village on his day, and the other charged people on his day. What do you think would happen? What would happen is that people would only go to the well on the day when the water is distributed freely and save up for the next day whereby the other man would charge for it. Hence the man who charges would eventually have no costumers and would be forced to either also give his water away for free or sell up his share to the other man. This is actually a true story and happened during the time of the Prophet PBUH. The man who gave away the water for free was Uthman ibn Affan.

I need to keep repeating myself!

[JSL3000]

Easy question the answer is... by using your surroundings.

[GAMES]

LooL

Like I posted above

This means that produce of agriculture would be made freely available to people. I understand where Adali is coming from, in that many people would try to horde and maybe even sell on the produce given to them. But if there is enough food available freely for everyone, which can actually be accomplished, and already is, albeit missing the correct distribution. No one would go to those who are hording or trying to make a profit, as everyone has access to food.

Think about it, if there were two men in charge of a watering well, and they both had 50% stake of the well, alternating everyday with who runs the well. Now say if one of these men gave away the water for free to the entire village on his day, and the other charged people on his day. What do you think would happen? What would happen is that people would only go to the well on the day when the water is distributed freely and save up for the next day whereby the other man would charge for it. Hence the man who charges would eventually have no costumers and would be forced to either also give his water away for free or sell up his share to the other man. This is actually a true story and happened during the time of the Prophet PBUH. The man who gave away the water for free was Uthman ibn Affan.

I need to keep repeating myself!

Masha Allah, thats really good. But things are little different in the real world now.

If u feel like giving things away for free, send me all the money you have. Since you apparently have no other use for it.

[Gaashaanle1000]

LooL

Like I posted above

This means that produce of agriculture would be made freely available to people. I understand where Adali is coming from, in that many people would try to horde and maybe even sell on the produce given to them. But if there is enough food available freely for everyone, which can actually be accomplished, and already is, albeit missing the correct distribution. No one would go to those who are hording or trying to make a profit, as everyone has access to food.

Think about it, if there were two men in charge of a watering well, and they both had 50% stake of the well, alternating everyday with who runs the well. Now say if one of these men gave away the water for free to the entire village on his day, and the other charged people on his day. What do you think would happen? What would happen is that people would only go to the well on the day when the water is distributed freely and save up for the next day whereby the other man would charge for it. Hence the man who charges would eventually have no costumers and would be forced to either also give his water away for free or sell up his share to the other man. This is actually a true story and happened during the time of the Prophet PBUH. The man who gave away the water for free was Uthman ibn Affan.

I need to keep repeating myself!

Masha Allah, thats really good. But things are little different in the real world now.

If u feel like giving things away for free, send me all the money you have. Since you apparently have no other use for it.

This is not about giving things away for free, it is about tapping the natural right of all human beings. Every human being in existence has the right to food, and place to rest, the right to reproduce and health care. As I have mentioned hundreds of times before at this point, these things are provided by Allah for all. It is just about certain people assigning useless paper notes with things of REAL! value. They then use that fake paper construct to rob you blind. Now if you cannot see that, then please go to another thread and stop playing Games here!

PS pun intended!

[GAMES]

LooL ok buddy, good luck convincing anyone that.

[Prlnce]

Money is important. I mean, it looks like u like to make a difference. WHY DON"T U TAKE A LONG VACATION TO SOMALIA and help out in cleaning, or volunteering in hospital for free. Save a little money where u can live on while on vacation. Good luck! Life is a B!ch without money!

Yep, life has become a B!ch without money for sure, but why does it have to be that way? Our grandparents, I mean most Somalis are only 1 to 2 generations out of the reer miiye life style, did not use money. They lived on the land with their livestock and moved from place to place as pastoralist nomads. Obviously we have better knowledge, and the means to do more than they did, as we have been exposed to how technology is possible and the importance of knowledge. SURELY SOMEONE COULD VENTURE THE LAND AND PRODUCE SOMETHING OF WORTH without the need for money....?

BASRA asked a very good question...that this full retard will never answer. Why is this retard always asking someone else to do something..."someone" kulaha why not you nigga?